USA HS students break travel restrictions and go to Kuba!
Within two days the New York Post has given us news of American Citizens traveling to Kuba
(These are BORN IN THE USA good ‘ole boys and girls, not one Cuban-American in the bunch)
This time it goes beyond disdain and contempt for USA law.
A group of a public (but in a VERY posh district of Manhattan) HS traveled to Kuba from the Bahamas, to see what his History Teacher feels are the wonderments of the Kuban revolution!
Yeah, chew on THAT a bit! Not to see family, not to help a cousin in need.. TO SEE AND LEARN ABOUT THE WONDERMENT OF KaSStros REVOLUTION!
The students are from the VERY select Beacon School on the upper West Side (read LOTSSA CASH!) and they spent their spring break in the Caribbean Gulag.
The school principal Ruth Lacey “claims” she did not approve the April 1~10 trip in which both students and teachers broke USA law and were detained in The Bahamas on their return trip.
On further recollection, Ms. Lacey remembers she DENIED permission for such a trip and the teacher Nathan Turner took it upon himself to make all the arrangements
Now who is motherfucker Mr. Turner ?
Well, his classroom walls are filled with pictures of KaSStro, Che and other communist leaders.
Now you would “think” this prick is just up to no good, wouldn’t you?
Why are pictures of KaSStro and Che hanging in a Public USA school and why is Ms. Lacey allowing this?
I bet you that if a crucifix was hung on any wall on any classroom in the USA the shit would hit the royal fan and IN A HURRY!
Ms. Lacey covering her surely very well paid ass claims that this is an outrage, but she does not explain how the trip had been posted on the HS web sites for weeks, also announcing “preparation (indoctrination?) classes for the trip to Kuba.
Parents of the 12 or so children who went claim ignorance as to current USA law (isn’t there something that says that ignorance of a law is not excuse to break it?)
Some parents were defiant of the law and admitted that they were protesting the 40+ blockade (Blockade?) to the Island prison.
Now, Molly Millerwise who is in charge of controlling these matters for the Office of Foreign Assets Control can not confirm or deny the incident or the fact they were detained. There you go government information at its best.
She DID say that “educational travel licenses are granted to college and graduate school students
Well FUCK me, to the USA government THAT is more important that some poor Cuban to go see their family! Where is the LOGIC here? where is the humanity here? What is there to learn in Kuba that will be free of communist propaganda? NOT-A-FUCKING-THING!
Send 12 students to Kuba and you will get back 12 communist pricks ready to burn USA flags!
Does anyone else denote a tinge of illegality and bias about the Cuban travel restrictions here ?
I can not go see a cousin although we were raised as brother and sister BUT USA students HAVE a legal way to go visit and LEARN? Do any of these students EVER make it out of the SAFE ZONES? Do they ever see anything the Kuban government does not allow them to see ?
Well this group of pricks face a fine of $65,000 each but I BET you we will never again hear about this. They will not even get a slap in the hand. See, their parents are wealthy and they can hire very powerful attorneys and the government doesn’t want to deal with THAT!
Now if Pedro Cebolleta from Union City NJ pulled the same shit, his ass would be beet red by now and his house would be up for sale to pay for the fine.
So do we have a double standard as far as travel to Kuba is concerned?
YES WE DO!
Is this even legal in the USA?
NO it ain’t!
Must we all FIGHT these travel restriction with all our might? .. YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!
And for those thinking of breaking the rule and going to Kuba, bring a print out of this post , remember these names and if you get caught , ask what happened to Nathan Turner and his band of merry commies! Because the LAW (in the USA) can NOT be applied arbitrarily and if they get away with this … then YOU MUST BE ALLOWED to get away with it also!
(These are BORN IN THE USA good ‘ole boys and girls, not one Cuban-American in the bunch)
This time it goes beyond disdain and contempt for USA law.
A group of a public (but in a VERY posh district of Manhattan) HS traveled to Kuba from the Bahamas, to see what his History Teacher feels are the wonderments of the Kuban revolution!
Yeah, chew on THAT a bit! Not to see family, not to help a cousin in need.. TO SEE AND LEARN ABOUT THE WONDERMENT OF KaSStros REVOLUTION!
The students are from the VERY select Beacon School on the upper West Side (read LOTSSA CASH!) and they spent their spring break in the Caribbean Gulag.
The school principal Ruth Lacey “claims” she did not approve the April 1~10 trip in which both students and teachers broke USA law and were detained in The Bahamas on their return trip.
On further recollection, Ms. Lacey remembers she DENIED permission for such a trip and the teacher Nathan Turner took it upon himself to make all the arrangements
Now who is motherfucker Mr. Turner ?
Well, his classroom walls are filled with pictures of KaSStro, Che and other communist leaders.
Now you would “think” this prick is just up to no good, wouldn’t you?
Why are pictures of KaSStro and Che hanging in a Public USA school and why is Ms. Lacey allowing this?
I bet you that if a crucifix was hung on any wall on any classroom in the USA the shit would hit the royal fan and IN A HURRY!
Ms. Lacey covering her surely very well paid ass claims that this is an outrage, but she does not explain how the trip had been posted on the HS web sites for weeks, also announcing “preparation (indoctrination?) classes for the trip to Kuba.
Parents of the 12 or so children who went claim ignorance as to current USA law (isn’t there something that says that ignorance of a law is not excuse to break it?)
Some parents were defiant of the law and admitted that they were protesting the 40+ blockade (Blockade?) to the Island prison.
Now, Molly Millerwise who is in charge of controlling these matters for the Office of Foreign Assets Control can not confirm or deny the incident or the fact they were detained. There you go government information at its best.
She DID say that “educational travel licenses are granted to college and graduate school students
Well FUCK me, to the USA government THAT is more important that some poor Cuban to go see their family! Where is the LOGIC here? where is the humanity here? What is there to learn in Kuba that will be free of communist propaganda? NOT-A-FUCKING-THING!
Send 12 students to Kuba and you will get back 12 communist pricks ready to burn USA flags!
Does anyone else denote a tinge of illegality and bias about the Cuban travel restrictions here ?
I can not go see a cousin although we were raised as brother and sister BUT USA students HAVE a legal way to go visit and LEARN? Do any of these students EVER make it out of the SAFE ZONES? Do they ever see anything the Kuban government does not allow them to see ?
Well this group of pricks face a fine of $65,000 each but I BET you we will never again hear about this. They will not even get a slap in the hand. See, their parents are wealthy and they can hire very powerful attorneys and the government doesn’t want to deal with THAT!
Now if Pedro Cebolleta from Union City NJ pulled the same shit, his ass would be beet red by now and his house would be up for sale to pay for the fine.
So do we have a double standard as far as travel to Kuba is concerned?
YES WE DO!
Is this even legal in the USA?
NO it ain’t!
Must we all FIGHT these travel restriction with all our might? .. YOU ARE DAMN RIGHT!
And for those thinking of breaking the rule and going to Kuba, bring a print out of this post , remember these names and if you get caught , ask what happened to Nathan Turner and his band of merry commies! Because the LAW (in the USA) can NOT be applied arbitrarily and if they get away with this … then YOU MUST BE ALLOWED to get away with it also!
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Ah, the problem is that we have two laws here:
One law prevents Cuban Americans from traveling to Cuba as they see fit or as they need, to visit relatives, or help them. That law even legislates who is your family and who is not. And we have Cuban Americans who actually like that law, because they hate kasstro more than they love other Cubans, and because they think that the Cubans of the island don't deserve to be helped or assisted with anything. Punish them, and then kasstro magically would go away.
The other law allows all commie pricks from the United States to conduct young people communist indoctrination trips to Cuba. All fine and dandy, because it's all in the name of education. I would say it's plain old communist propaganda and indoctrination of the American youth as per that old tennet of Khruschev "we are gonna bury you". That's just the creation of a 5th column inside this country.
I don't recall that those very same kind of trips were allowed to Nazi Germany (even if private Americans of German origin traveled to Germany until the USA enter the war) or to Imperial Japan (after Pearl Harbor all the Japanese travel and communication was suspended, but before there was no problem whatsoever with it, even if they were raping the hell out of Asia)
A poor Cuban American (and you're a Cuban American to me without hyphen once you put your dry feet on American shores) cannot go and see his nana (maybe the black woman next door who breasfed him, and who wiped his ass, and with whose negritos he threw rocks to una mata de mango and learn how to play baseball) because some politician prick says no, that's not your family. So let your nana die, don't send her a penny, and we all are giving cancer to kasstro that way.
Now, as KillCastro says, all these commie pricks from the Upper West Side (famously the most liberal nighborhood of NYC) will get some firetruck-red commie lawyers to defend them and you will not hear about that anymore. They won't pay a penny. And kasstro propaganda will be a bit more advanced in the mind of young affluent people in NYC. It will just be a matter of time to have a bunch of spies from the Cuban representation at the United Nations showing up and giving these assholes support, plus their usual friends over here.
The principal of the school didn't know a thing about this? Or she didn't know and then she knew, and then she didn't know again? What's her fucking name, Kerry? I bet you that if this was Christmas time and a teacher set up a Nativity set in the classroom his/her ass would be deep fried. By the same token, pictures of kasstro and che are allowed. I am surprised that they don't allow hitler's pics in that classroom. Or maybe yes...
Why aren't those parents questioning the education of their children? I tell you why, because they are a bunch of pro-commie liberals who do believe that everything that the USA stands for is wrong, and they need to find a hero in some prick and murderer as long as the monster is Anti-American.
Would I be allowed to teach in that very same school that kasstro is a racist monster that is responsible for the death of thousands of Cubans? I doubt it.
Tell me please how is that these rich liberals from New York City are above the law, and how is that the Board of Education (The board of indoctrination maybe?) didn't control what went up in the school website, and which (illegal) activities were approved and promoted by that website?
How is that if you were a member of the communist party or the nazi party you cannot become an American citizen -with the exception of Arturo Prick Sandoval- but if you're a liberal from NYC you can be a full fledge commumnist with all the freedom of these world to indoctrinate young and impressionable children?
What is next?
Are they going to take those kids down to actos de repudio in Cuba? Or to protests here in the States to learn how to burn the American flag while wearing a che t-shirt? (I am sure that more than one of them brought such a souvenir from Cuba)
Go ahead, Board of Education of New York City, allow some communist motherfucker to poison the young minds of this city, and you will be instrumental for the burial of America, as dreamt by Khruschev.
How is that the Board of Education of New York City allows this visit to a place under a genocidal dictator? Don't they see those rafters coming?
I would be interested in knowing what they think about the repression in Cuba, the political prisoners and the ladies in White, the kids of the 13 de Marzo tugboat, whose bodies were abandoned in the sea to be devoured by the sharks.
unbelievable...
you have no idea what the hell your talking about!!! all you know about that school is what your hear in the media! pple like you make me sick!! i am proud to be a former student of that school! how dare you think you can talk down on ANY ONE!!! i dont care how much you hate castro, you could hate the whole fucking world for all i care, but dont you dare make assumptions about the school, teachers or the students in question because i can promise you that in the end you will come out looking like a dumb ass!!
Kissmyass- I think the word hate is a strong word. I go to beacon now and in some ways I know were you are coming from but killcastro is making good points.
Killcastro- I have had turner as a teacher and although I don’t agree with a lot of what he say I still like him as a teacher and you should judge him because you have never met him,.
Also I don’t think the kids understand that what they have seen in Cuba is not the real Cuba; they have only seen the good (meaning the great people and culture). I don’t want to say anything that can get the kids in trouble in any way because I have a few friends that went on the trip but they like to think they know what’s going on and they don’t. I think the biggest problem is that they don’t understand how much this situation sucks and how frustrating it is for Cuban Americans. It doesn’t really hit home for them which is why they feel that they can defend Castro. I am Cuban American and it hurts to know that I have family that I will never get to meet and because they don’t know what that feel like everything is ok for them they don’t suffer in anyway. To some degree it is upsetting to know that a couple of kids who went on vacation to Cuba while people who have family cannot. It is also frustrating that they think they can represent all of Cuba and speak for all Cubans in saying things are really good out there because they spent a week out there seeing things as tourists. But I think that just bashing them is not the thing to do. They should be taught by people who know (people like you) what the real Cuba is like.
I don’t know every thing that is going on in Cuba but I have some knowledge and I hear both good and bad. I don’t want to say I hate Castro but I’m not saying I love him either. I don’t now all the details so I’m not going to act like I do. I’m know that there is more than a lot wrong with the way Cuba is being run but I also want to make note of the fact that there is a lot wrong with the way the U.S. is being run as well.
Now, although I do agree with what you said about the students not going there to see family or help a cousin in need and how unfair this situation is to the people who want to go for those reasons, but, I do want to correct what you said about all the kids that go to beacon because not all are the way you have described them, I certainly am not. And because you don’t really know the whole story (because there is a lot the media has gotten wrong) you should be careful not to jump to conclusions. Or you will sound just as bad as any student who defends Castro without knowing the whole situation.
Here is a Beacon student leaving you a comment and GETTING YOUR STUPID FACTS CORRECT.
1) Beacon High School is a PUBLIC high school meaning that we don't pay $16,000 to go to school. We don't pay any money at all except for school supplies. We just happen to be one of the top public high schools in New York. Beacon students' parents' incomes range from very poor to very rich.
2) Nathan Turner is one of the most respected History teachers in the school. Don't call him a motherfucker when you've never even met him. He hangs pictures of Castro and other figures to give more to the classroom. The posters had to do with the class he was teaching -- Cuba & US Relations. So it's nothing related to Christianity. If he was teaching religion, he'd probably have religious symbols hanging in his room but that does not mean he's forcing the religion onto us.
Nor does it mean he was forcing Communism onto us. So shut the fuck up and you better delete this article or rewrite it. Like the New York Post, you don't even have all of your facts correct. The trip was an educational trip, not one to make Communist ties and to form a Communist Cult.
3) At least my school have the teachers to teach us how to write good articles and to know all the facts before stating our arguments. You were stating such bullshit in that article. Sure, you have your freedom of speech but when you write, make sure you have all of the facts down. You probably only passed school by bullshitting to all your teachers... or maybe you failed all of your writing assessments because no one would read your terrible writing except for these people.
4) MERRIE COMMMIES?!??! The trip was to learn more about Cuba -- NOT TO BE COMMUNIST. And so what if some people agree with Communism? Freedom of fucking choice.
5) The school has permission to go Cuba and we've been taking trips there for the past five years. Somehow, this year it screwed up and they're still trying to fix this problem so don't write about something that's not solved yet. You are entitled to your own opinion but don't talk shit about a teacher you've never had, school you've never been to, and DO NOT EVER make up stupid comments such as calling my school a group of Communists because we're not.
PS Your writing is terrible.
Just a few points in reply to both KillCastro and Charlie Bravo, as I would like to make this short and not offend anyone too much.
Firstly, please, do not assume that everyone from Beacon is a rich upper-west side kid rolling in dough, because as a current student at that school, I can assure you that we're not all like that. Of course there are a select few students who fit that description, but the same goes for most Manhattan public schools (depending on where you look.)
Secondly, believe it or not, Beacon houses many different political beliefs; Mr. Turner just happens to be one of the most liberal teachers at the school, and very interested in communism. But for God's sake, just because he is a communist, that does not make his 10th and 12th grade students eat up everything he says. Sure, some people consider themselves communists, or socialists, or what-have-you. But at 15, 16, even 18 years old, there's not really much you can do about changing the entire political structure of the United States.
And just as a side note, we don't burn flags. In my American Law class, we discussed the SCOTUS case of Texas v. Johnson (in which he was arrested for burning a flag) and nearly everyone (if not the entire class, if I'm not mistaken) thought that it was a rather silly thing to do.
In short (since this was much longer than I intended), Beacon students are not as bad as you make us out to be. I think rather than assuming you know everything about us just because a handful of students went to Cuba to learn about it more in depth, you should try and understand things from our point of view. I know I certainly try to understand things from yours, and while I agree that what they did was illegal and thus shouldn't be ignored, I also think that the blockade on Cuba is wrong, and by studying there, Beacon made an excellent protest against said blockade.
Thank you,
A proud Beacon student.
You are an absolute dumbass who is just talking out of your ass. First of all your stereotypes are all bullshit... if u dont know anything about the school, kids or teachers then dont assume cuz u make an ass out of yourself.
second, mr Turner's an amazing teacher who sticks up for what he believes in (something that many ppl dont do) so you cant penalize him for expressing his beliefs (its called free speech)
third, the students didnt go 2 cuba to become communists, you dumbass. They went for cultural learning, and anyone can go 2 Cuba through the Bahamas or Cancun so dont try and blame them with ur "they didnt go to see family" bullshit, cuz once again ur jus making a complete and utter ASS of yourself
fourth, by automatically saying that Beacon is "POSH" is just dumb within itself, because you clearly havent seen the variety of kids we have there. people range from poverty stricken to staright up rich, but dont fucking try to stereotype our school as "rich and posh" because its one of the best schools in NYC, you dumbass.
so bascially i have come to this conclusion- you are a Dumbass who makes up bullshit because you feel it satisfies your needs of rambling, but in reality it makes you look like a damn fool.
So next time you wanna try and say sumthing intelligent, make sure you dont pull facts and shit outta ur ass, cuz u look like a dumb fuck :)
Oh, Mr. Turner didn't teach how to spell... Amazingly common for a commie.
You might want to tell him to come defend himself here, but he sends to kids, one articulate, and another one that needs a lot of help to get out of under that dunce cap.
But well, I have never seen a communist doing anything else but using children as human shields.
A blockade against Cuba?
You surely didn't see American warships around its coasts, did you?
And Mr. Turner didn't tell you that the USA is the first provider of medication and food to Cuba.... Of course not.
He didn't mention the political prisoners, the racial discrimination, the ravages of the agricultural land, and the wars of aggression in Africa, did he? Now, tell me where the hand of the USA falls in all of that.... Because, after living the life of a Cuban in Cuba and the life of the American in the United States, I can tell you that Mr. Turner knows nothing about the real Cuba and the real Cubans.
Oh well, I see that he's good at one thing, indoctrination. I see also that he's bad at correcting spelling.
Well, well well ...
this is the education they get at THAT school ?
"sumthing intelligent" , dont pull facts and shit outta ur ass, cuz u look like a dumb fuck :) "
And you sound SO extremely articulate and well educated, don’t you.
Some of you fucks are LAUGHABLE, buncha kids TRYING to make a point about a teacher who happens to be a FUCKING COMMUNIST who BROKE USA law by bringing you dumb asses to Kuba. Bet ya you were just itching to get laid, dint ya?
Does that get YOU through you thick slacker head you moron!?
What DO YOU know about Cuba ANY OF YOU! Whatta fuck are YOU going to learn about Cuba from the Cuban government? Did ANY of you RAISE THAT question to Mr. Turner he of the KaSStro & Che pictures? Would THAT fact just in itself give you a slight idea that this was NOT a HISTORY trip!
Will you see the concentration camps, the shit smelling hospitals, people waiting in line to get WATER!? Nah you dumb FUCKS. you are going on a brain washing trip ! And with minds like yours it ain’t going to take but one Woolite™ rinse to have you all start singing LA INTERNACIONAL. The STUPIDITY of your statements is such that it boggles the mind! We are accused of NOT knowing the school " (by the way the quote "POSH" was directly taken from the New York Post ya moronic turd!
So we do NOT know the school A school in Manhattan , you do NOT know a WHOLE Country and its suffering and are too stupid to realize that what you are gonna be shown is the commie facade. But alas, after the "little" incident at VT , we know what kind of fine outstanding citizens our school system is putting out, cause hellafab .. you are a SURE candidate to go postal on an campus , but of course we know you WILL wind up wearing a name tag till you reach retirement age , because NOONE , and I mean NOONE can be THAT fucking stupid! Jesus, how the fuck did someone with your lack of the most simple of vocabularies wind up in HS?
Now to those who were both articulate and presented their point in an intelligent manner (something to emulate hellafab ) We did not generalize on the students who attend Beacon , it is true we do NOT know the school , but we DO know something that HAPPENED at THAT school and that for a Cuban-American reflects poorly , NOT on the students (unless you are hellafab) but on the school itself. And that is all. If you (the informed articulate bunch) felt offended MY apologies, you are CLEARLY an intelligent group of people caught in the middle of a typical commie trap. I suggest that next time Mr. Turner gives you ANY positive spins on KaSStro, ask him if he ever spent more than 5 months living with a Cuban family as a Cuban in Cuba, working fo $7,00 USD a month 6 days a week.. Just ASK!
Well, why am I surprised, there still are Hitler Youth’s waltzing around Germany!
And Devin , as a Cuban –American it must CRUSH you to see anyone exalting the “glories of the revolution” a revolution which by the way had plans to drop an atomic bomb in midtown Manhattan!
And I DO agree there is a SHITLOAD of stuff that is wrong with the way the USA handles Cuba! You are NOT talking to two Bushites blinded by party policies!
Bush’s policies towards Cuba have been the WORST of all possible worlds ( just that Clinton made it so much easier for KaSStro to fuck HIM!) Separating families, making it impossible for a son to visit a dying mother, where is the FUCKING humanity in this?
But here we are *I* can NOT see my family in Cuba because a group of twats at the State Department decided this would bring KaSStro down! .. GENIUSES! (Hey hellafab you may have a job with THAT little bunch of brainiacs)
As we have ALWAYS said, the USA policy towards KaSStro is to kill the slaves (the Cuban People) so the slave master will fall. FUCKING BRILLIANT!
Our State Department is as guilty of shilling for KaSStro as your Mr. Turner is!
And Devin I DO hope you have spoken about this with your parents and they have confronted the school on this BLATANT propaganda excursion!
oh and Magan ... THERE IS NO BLOCKADE!! BEacon is selling you the commie party line ! the USA is the 5th largets trader with Kuba in the worls. now reconcile THAT with a BLOCKADE . Look it up WIKIPEDIA is your friend, and you may shock Mr. Turner when you point out he is speaking outta his well indoctrinated ass!
NOW for ALL of YOU... Do YOU believe there is ONE Cuban teacher that COULD have had the freedom to openly advocate or express sympathy for the USA at any level and still be walking the streets in Cuba?
Something to think about or perhaps the "teach" can give you an answer!
And no, there is NOTHING wrong with being a communist, hey I read Marx and I find a LOT of what he has to say merits a lot of thought but we are not talking about A COMMUNIST we are talking about defending a massive murdered a tyrant a despot someone who has turned a once thriving country into a cesspool of horror! the GULAG of the Caribbean !
Now, thank you all for dropping by and paying a visit PERHAPS we BOTH owe each other some apologies!
Not FROM you hellfuck … you gotta learn how to flip them burgers boy!
To beacon student who went on the trip-
Don’t get me wrong I love Turner and I don’t necessarily want to talk trash about him but the trip you all took which was “educational” seems to have mad your heads grow a little bit. You see, sure you learned a lot about Cuba and the culture and all that stuff but you haven’t really learned anything until you have experienced the real Cuba and in fact no matter what kind of things you did out there or how long you stayed you don’t know what the life is really like until you’ve lived it. And no offense but just because you went to Cuba does not mean you know more then others who have never been. And several (not all) of the kids who have gone on the trip are walking around with there noses in the air acting like they know everything but you don’t like I said until you’ve lived the life you’re only seeing Cuba as a tourist. You guys should try listening to some of the stories Cubans who have come to America have to tell then you can really understand what is happening out there, the good and the bad and why some Cuban Americans think and act the way they do.
I agree that it can be frustrating to read some of what Killcastro and Charlie Bravo are saying about are school but you have to understand that this situation is hard for many Cuban Americans, even more when you hear about people who get to go to Cuba when they are unable to do so and most of the time never get to see loved ones again.
Another point I have is instead of bashing people and telling them that there wrong and ignorant you should educate them about what you do know. In reality everyone in this situation wants the same thing and that is to be able to go to Cuba freely for what ever reason they might have. Turner is always talking about we have to work together to get things done so why aren’t you doing that.
And one thing I want to point out to some beacon students is that I have heard a lot of students say that they want to go back. I can understand that the island is beautiful and all that but I bet non of you would want to live there. Every time we get a right taken away everyone complains when half of the right we have hear that everyone is always talking about and love so much (like the freedom of speech and freedom of the press) don’t even exist in Cuba. So, If you cant live without all of the right we have hear you’re not going to make it in Cuba.
Killercastro- I just thought you should know that really there is nothing wrong with being a communist because although it has never worked out the communist theory is really not bad.
Well, Devon, I basically agree with you, but there's a problem (at least to me) with being a commie. The problem is the indoctrination spewed onto others (that's the mission of communism, to gain adepts among young minds) Communism is plainly said, ideological cancer. Communists are the tormentors of Cubans, the executioners of more people than the ones executed by Hitler, and communists are the ones who keep Cuban patriots in jail and run the shooting squad with Swiss clock precision. There's only one instance where a communist is not dangerous, when he is an isolated lunatic with no following. When the commies are out there free to indoctrinate young people, when they are free to twist history and to ease the take over of an ideology, there are really dangerous.
For you to know, and for you to tell your friends, kasstro and che had a plan that made Sept 11 look like a fireworks festival gone awry. They planned to first drop a couple of atomic warheads on Manhattan (erasing the very same possibility of Beacon to exist, and suppressing the life of more than 15 million people in the three state area, Rhode Island, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and beyond) and when Khrushev dealt an "agreement" with Kennedy, they planned in foot terrorists to bomb the living bejesus out of the city subway system, department stores and movie theaters. This is the first instance on which the use of dirty bombs (with radioactive material) was proposed, and this was when Osama Bin Laden was just a mischievous child throwing camel dung balls at the tent of his uncle.
Communism is as dangerous as Nazism. They were organic allies, and they only became enemies over a territorial dispute over Poland, and they were hellbent in destroying the USA and Europe. Thanks God they became enemies or we would be today pagans worshiping the German mythological Gods, Lenin and Stalin, and speaking Gerssian (a dialect between German and Russian) wearing uniforms and goosestepping to our indoctrination classes before going to sweep the ashes of the crematories.
I hope that they go again to Cuba. I certainly will help some of your classmates to get a real education about Cuba.
This is my plan:
Spend six months in Cuba, with no money no I-Pods, no digital cameras or computers or games. Live with a Cuban family and eat whatever they can put on the table.
Learn about kasstro and che from them. We will happily help y'all be placed with those families, from normal backgrounds, similar to your own backgrounds in the Upper West side, for example, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers, social workers, etc. Compare that with the live you have in the Upper West Side.
Oh, no money or medications, or care packages from your parents. Just like Bush and Kasstro don't allow it for Cubans.
If one of the students get homesick and wants to come back to the States, I am glad to anounce that we have an "exit strategy" figured out: somebody will build a raft for said student and cast him/her on the sea, like Cubans do.
The trick is, that thanks to the Clinton law, dry-foot wet-foot, the Coast Guard can send you back to Cuba if you don't land in Florida!
Take note, the participants won't be allowed to visit the US Interest Section in Havana, or get any diplomatic help.
Still the rafts keep on coming to the USA, the rafts come only one way for a reason, Mr. Turner!
You say, "Where is the LOGIC here? where is the humanity here?"
Please take your own advice. As a current Beacon student, you must not make such assumptions about the school and the current circumstances at hand.
You make Beacon sound like an exquisite building filled with fabulous features and rich students...you are quite wrong. Although some students are more privileged than others, there is a variety of people of all different cultures, backgrounds, and social classes that make up the Beacon community. We are a diverse, educational institution. Did you know that Beacon was also once a car garage now converted into an overcrowded public school? Well it is. How's that for a "posh" high school? We have approximately over a thousand beings inhabiting the building each and every day, and there are only four floors, with narrow hallways with a lack of space and a lack of many other necessary functions. We have our flaws but honestly, nothing is perfectly perfect. We are no Dalton or Stuyvesant but, Beacon is a great public high school nonetheless.
Your blog is rubbish. You provide your readers with false accusations and many unnecessary remarks. You are uneducated at the topic at hand.
The trip to Cuba was an eye-opening, educational, and informative experience for many of my peers who went on the trip this past spring break. The group of individuals were lucky to have this once in a life time opportunity to visit a nation which the United States had a ban on for 40 years. Why do we still have a ban? I don't know. What is the U.S. government trying to hide from us anyway? There are many questions, with little or no answers.
Going to such a country such as Cuba taught these students about others. Travelling helped these kids broaden their horizons. They travelled to learn and to experience and to question. They were willing to take a chance, yet for their efforts they were labeled as communist, spoiled, rich kids from New York. They were punished but they just wanted to change the American stereotype of being narrow minded but, people like you keep it the same.
Where is the logic and where is the humanity? Where is the logic in making assumptions? Please take of your own words of adive - get your details straight.
We are keeping all your testimonies in our blog, as proof of the indiference y'all feel for the suffering of the Cuban people, for all to see the damage done in the American youth by the communist indoctrination of the likes of Mr. Turner. One day you all will be ashamed of your total lack of sensitivity towards 12 million people who live under a dictatorship. The future will judge you, and you will live with the shame of having been accomplices of a tyrant. Good luck with your lives!
MORE, MORE MORE! A personal experience to "broaden your horizons" in your view is worth ignoring the suffering and welfare of 12 million people? God you've would’ve made a LOVELY Hitler Youth! Or, a devout advocate of the South African apartheid. Are you even AWARE of the apartheid WITHIN Cuba ?
God, and we do NOT now how to write “get your facts straight? isn’t that EXACTLY what we did? or did your teacher DID NOT go to Cuba breaking USA regulations? What part of this is not straight? You imbecile twit!
See if your “professor” has the MORAL fortitude and COJONES to debate either one of us at your school! He should be ashamed that semi articulate morons are defending HIS fucking cause. Typical of all commies!
Devon:
COMMUNISM - REAL by the book COMMUNISM has never been seen in the word. Lenin used it as a facade to raise the Bolshevik against the tsars.
But we all forget that you are reading a THEORY that was written 140 years ago! Where children were working in mines at age 10 and making pennies a day (pretty much what you see in KUBA!
I encourage you to read the works of the foremost authority about MARX in KUBA. Luis Marcelo Yera and one of the TOP economists in the world
You will be SURPRISED how tainted Marx's doctrines were by the Russian Revolution! IN FACT.. MARX WAS NEVER opposed to private property or advocated for the total control of the populous through a system of tyranny and oppression!
Marx was USED and his writings were molded to fit the agenda or one Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
We can go back to the USA of 75 years ago and black men and women were regularly hung from a tree without anyone giving much thought to it! The Civil rights movement, Dr. Martin Luther King CHANGED that. so ANY racial inequality book written 80 years ago is hardly a guide to life in the USA on 2007!
140 year of economic and social changes have made Marx’s theories QUITE naive !
Much like Jules Verne's works have VERY little to do with science today.
BUT.. for some UNBELIEVABLY STRANGE reason NO ONE even thinks about the anachronism of applying economic theories which are 140 years old in a world of interest only 7% mortgages, credit cards $2,000 rebates on the purchase of your next car!
Now, I ask YOU, would you trust a doctor whose knowledge of medicine comes from a curriculum written 140 years ago?
Your fucking insane man. The Post printed only lies. Turner's walls are not covered with pictures of Che or even pictures of Castro. He believes in teaching both sides of a story, which the United States prevents. How do you know Cuba is so bad? Have you been? Of course not. What you know comes from the media, which is owned and controlled by bigger businesses. You haven't learned the story for yourself and like an ignorant American, you eat the lies right out of the press' hand. Did the Post mention the four trips that Turner led to New Orleans to help rebuild. He spent weeks gutting houses, clearing garbage, and just talking with survivors. If he hates the U.S. so much, why help. You yourself are an ignorant fool. When was the last time you looked in the mirror, truly? You would see an insane, judgmental sociopath who no longer thinks for himself, but rather lets the government do it for him. Congratulations on becoming the "average American." Also, Ms. Lacy sitting on her very well paid ass? Really. She is a New York City PUBLIC school principal. If you knew anything you would know that education takes a backseat priority in this country. The national budget for education is less than one percent of the total budget. What money do you think she is being paid with? Also, dumbass, CUBA ISN'T COMMUNIST. They are socialist. Look at it. Actually read some of the work written by Marx and you will see Cuba doesn't fit the criteria for communism. Oh, and please, do write back. Your ignorance makes me laugh...i love to laugh.
(dis)informed citizen: we both are Cuban. We lived in Cuba, and lived under the communist system that you deny that Cuba is under. Did you notice that the ONLY party in power is the Communist Party of Cuba?
Do you know that I went to New Orleans for cleaning up and reconstruction?
Do you know that I proposed in New Orleans they should accept the Cuban rafterst that both Clinton and Bush turn back to the Gulag to become residents of New Orleans and to help in the reconstruction?
Keep on laughing.
And keep on lying.
And yes, New York City public school principals are very well paid. And with a ton of benefits that other professionals cannot even dream of.
Keep sinking a bit lower defending communism and spitting on top of its victims. And please keep of coming here to show your inhumanity for all to see. What a pathetic show of selfishness and selfserving righteousness you are putting up.
Of course, you didn't learn any dignity from the Cuban people, because you didn't meet the real Cuban people, you just met the monsters who opress them.
Do you know who Dr. Biscet is?
Do you know who Dr. Darsi Ferrer is?
Or Dr. Farinas?
They are three black men opposed to the system of apartheid that overwhelms Cuba, the communist system who sank a tug boat and killed tens of children in it. The communist system who took (in the very same words of kasstro) "three lil'niggers" To the shooting squad just to make and example and scare people who wanted to risk it all to come to the USA.
Keep on praising kasstro, the same guy who vowed to destroy the United States with nuclear weapons during the Missile Crisis. And turn around and tell me that you love this country.
You love to laugh, but you're becoming the laughing stock of many. I feel sorry for you.
Castro is a nut, first off. Secondly, technically speaking, Cuba is not communist. Read Marx's work. Cuba is as communist as the USSR was[it wasn't]. Oh, and by the by, i didn't go on the alleged trip.
I think it's great you went and helped out in New Orleans but you missed my point. Turner is not a communist, hell, he teaches about communism for oh, two months. Thats it. By calling him a communist your calling every other teacher a Nazi, or a barbarian. There is no logic to calling him communist. The point of the New Orleans trip was to help the people who have already been neglected by our own government. If Turner hates America so much, why help?
Is Castro responsible for the Cuban missile crises? In part yes. But where did he get the weapons? THe USSR. He only had authorization to use them if the United States invaded Cuba. During tyhe time, tensions were quite strong with the USSR and America. It was an act of deffence by the Soviets. HTis just proves my point that Castro is a nut.
Oh, and who is laughing at me? THe people who think our government is so great? I'll get into that later, i've got to go to school. But, its not the situation I'm laughing at, its killkastros idiocy and ignorance.
Hey "Informed Citizen" how big of a fucking asshole are you? ... have you even bother to READ who run this blog you ignorant sack of jizz? it is TWO Cubans so we KNOW Kuba, we LIVED under KaSStro's boot, we have family in Cuba we ARE Cubans you crackhead! and you are a momma's boy with a PC paid by your daddy who has NO fucking idea what the world is like and enjoys to piss people off just 'cause youre a plain IDIOT!
Do we know Cuba ..? You like to laugh ? shove your head up your ass and laugh I am sure you will get a lovely echo.
and THIS topic is closed cause I am tired of dealing with subhuman species.
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beacon students- every one is criticizing killcastro for judging turner with out knowing him (and i understand why) but you are all doing the same to him. i have noticed that a lot of you have been beacon look pretty bad and at times sound as bad as you claim killcastro is being. some times you guys contradict your self and even more so when you judge killcastro with out even knowing him (and by doing that you are likely to eventually end up sticking your foot in his mouth).
also calling him ignorant and a dumb ass doesn't help the situation (which you do to some of your classmates). you should be educating people much like you went to do when you went on the trip. stop not talking about it and trying to hide what happened, we all know who went so start educating the public.
turner has always said if you want change the things that are wrong in this world and you want peoples views on things to change then say something, start to change things around and when it comes to "ignorant" people teach, inform them.
and i feel that if you all want to continue talking about Cuba and defending things out there you to should get your facts straight. i feel that you should know that some pretty unbelievably cruel things do happen in Cuba that only visiting Cuba as a tourist you wont see or maybe even hear about.
and i don't want this to come out wrong but the pins that everyone is wearing with the white star what does it mean? what is it that everyone who wears is trying to representing? and if it something important that should be represented don't keep it between the kids who went on the trip like it is a secret club get it out to the other people.
and i just want to make it clear and i dont want to sound mean or anything but you guys give off the vibe that your trying to represent cuba and you cant until youve lived there or atleast gone and try to live like the cubans.
que sabes de cuba? No hables de lo que no sabes!
informed citizen- i think you are starting to pick at the little things. there is not that big of a difference between socialism and communism (by my understanding). so, to me i don't think it makes that big of a difference if turner is socialist or communist because I'm sure he agrees with both (and there is nothing wrong with that).
and if you want to help turner out don't go around spreading information about how turners way of teaching.
and your right turner doesn't hate America but he does hate the U.S. government to an extent or at least that is how he comes off at times.
killcastro- i have a lot of respect for you and your views and agree with most of what you say but i don't agree with the way to respond to the comments some of the kids make. calling them dumb asses is just as bad as what they say and i think if you were to be less disrespectful you might get more respect from the kids and get them to understand what it is you are trying to say. and you really should not jump to conclusions about turner, i understand how frustrating everything can be but still.
Right, daddy paid for my computer. My parents are separated, my dad's a deadbeat. You got it. Your jumping to conclusion...oh, much like you did before.
Devon, major differences between them[socialism and communism]. Check up on it. If you need suggestions, i can recommend some readings. Also, why should we love our government. We've been fed lies day in and day out. A war was started over falsified information. Right now, our president has done enough to be impeached, but, because of lack of political backbone, he hasn't been.
Oh, by the way, im just wondering why America is so great now. It used to be, back when we had civil liberties and rights. We no longer have privacy[patriot act] and we no longer have habeas corpus[Military Commissions Act]. For those of you who don't know, habeas corpus made sure that detainees could see a lawyer, needed to be brought to trial in a quick manner, and made sure they knew what they were being charged with. Now, you can be held for an indefinite amount of time, you don't need to be told why your being held, you don't need to be brought before a judge, and you no longer have the privilege of seeing a lawyer. Oh, by the way, with the signing of this new Act, we loose nine of our ten rights. Im talking about the Bill of Rights. Yes, nine of ten amendments no longer matter. Yep, that bush sure is great! P.S. In the Declaration of Independence, it says if this were ever to happen, we, as an American people, are allowed to revolt. But, if we're going to throw out the bill of rights and the constitution, might as well toss the Declaration too. Now, in addition to this, the government is allowed to torture[though we say we don't] and, no longer can a prisoner use the Geneva conventions to protect themselves. Yep, it's absurd....
All of our problems and quarrels aside, America used to be the best place to live. We had opportunity, freedom, equality... Times have changed, we need to question our government and what they've done rather than fight amongst ourselves.
My apologies for my earlier profanity. Just killcastro came off, and still does, as completely ignorant to whats happening here, in america.
Devon :
I sureley see that you are acting as the voice of reason here and I commend you for it
Your classmates began a tirade against us , and it all was 3rd grade innsults delivered at a 3rd grade level of understanding , CLEARLY, I am NOT going to address these people as if they deserve ANY respect from me at all. To me they were and still are a bunch of uninformed, pro-communist anti-USA sycophants, falling for the charms of a shrewd and charismatic teacher.
If you read our banner THAT is the key to cultism, and that is what you got here CULTISTS who think this teacher is the next coming.
He is NOT communist, he is socialist.. Well I really do not care what he is because that doesn’t not influence nor make any difference in MY life at all. BUT, when this gentleman chooses to bring a group of students to KUBA, to teach them Cuban History , a history that will be tainted by 48 years of indoctrination THEN *I* got a problem because this man is perpetuating the suffering of *MY* people and his students are coming back as brain washed minions repeating the lies that were told by him and the KaSStro government . So YOU tell me how is this any different from let’s say the Hitler youth? They all thought Hitler was GREAT! , the Jovenes Comunistas in Kuba .. Of course ALL of you will think the guy is a GREAT teacher (who would listen to a disliked teacher? He is DOING his proselytizing, propagandistic JOB by the book) But is he being FAIR , is he telling you guys the TRUTHi? Has he even investigated what the TRUTH is? Does he know about the racial and economic apartheid in Kuba , did he explain to these students that in Kuba a citizen of Cuba may NOT stay in a Hotel for tourists , nor mingle with tourists? DID HE EXPLAIN THIS TO ANY OF YOU?, If he did NOT he is just an enabler and ANYTHING he says is open for questioning! Any time someone tells me, “Well he Is NOT anti American he is anti-government” It is just such load of bullshit . In the USA you have a way of changing the government AND, a TEACHER should NOT be proselytizing HIS own political ideas on ANY student , because he is NO longer being a teacher he is being a Cult leader!
Not any different than Jim Jones. I am sure you now how all his disciples drank the poisoned kool-aid , I am sure they all thought he was “cool” This teacher is one dangerous individual and should NOT be teaching ANYONE because what he is doing is forming his own little army to follow his own little agenda and the BEST he can do is to do so at a high school level. You already mention how the students are wearing “secret signs” and not telling anyone.. Well my friend , there you are cultism 101 !
Bitching and moaning about the American government ANY American government is the easiest thing in the world, now go try to do that ANYPLACE else in the world . ANY PLACE ELSE! Just the fact that in this country they do it with impunity should tell THEM what a great country they live in. REGARDLESS of the government in charge.
This little turd ( and THAT is the way I talk, I call it as I see it , and trust me I do not give two shits to be respected by a band of poorly educated morons) “informed citizen” is just all set for a flame war , contradicting one post with another , being an insulting prick in one post and then TRYING to appear articulate and self controlled in the other , I am PRETTY sure he’s being coached by SOMEONE , or he is the professor himself who lacks the BALLS to come out and make his case.
We already said, we are willing to debate this guy any time any place.
His office is NOT filled with pictures of Guevara and KaSStro ?
SORRY that is what the MSM reports . The same MSM that reports that Posada Carriles blew a plane full of Cubans when every Cuban knows KaSStro himself blew up that plane which carried 4 high ranking KaSStro officers he needed to get rid off . Just as he did Camilo just as he did with Che. People become a liability to KaSStro they die! BUT the MSM reports it ALWAYS from the favorable point of view of the Cuban Monster.
Devon I TRULY feel sorry for you because you are being educated alongside half wits who fall for an facile lie from a professor who CLEARLY has a left wing agenda . No he is NOT ANTI AMERICAN he just wants a COMMUNIST AMERICA!
As far as OUR politics, NO ONE in this blog is a sacred cow; we have blasted Bush for all his idiotic decision regarding the IRAQ war and his policies towards KaSStro. We are constantly being monitored by the State Department because we reach over 20,000 people a month and THAT is a LOT more your little professor does there a Beacon so as far as a political force we have a LOT more clout than Mr. Turner will ever have.
Because it is clear that no matter how likeable this guy is he is just NOT a very smart individual. Just a child of a hippy family carrying on the tradition, where everything about ANY USA government is BAD and the rest of the world is all peaches and cream specially those countries which are sworn enemies of the USA. Ask Mt. Turner what his opinion about 9/11 is. I already KNOW what it is, but ask him.
He encourages dialog, DIALOG. You will see he has not much to dialog about because his mind is a shut trap and only opens to swallow, lackeys like “informed citizen” and the other twits who came out in his defense.
As far as this blog we have blasted Cuban-Americans in congress because they are also following a personal agenda and do NOT have CUBA as their agenda. Following blindly, whether the left or the right, purges you of your humanity. To agree with ANY GOVERNMENT (Including Bush’s) just because he is on YOUR party is moronic. It shows you have not developed mentally, intellectually or philosophically to a point where you can discern right from wrong and come up with your own conclusions. This teacher has found a very appropriate lil gig , mold the minds of his little group of left wing militants and set them free on the world, spewing LIES ( the same lies that the MSM shove down our throats day in and day out)
Like you say “No hables de lo que no sabes!” and THEREIN lies the BIG issue with us and Mr. Turner, he is LYING to you! ALL OF YOU and noone has come up and told it to his face.
I really am not looking for approval nor am I here to proselytize a cause, as we say in the blog we do not aim to argue with those who oppose our point of view regarding Cuba, we are here to annihilate them We were BOTH brought up under the communist regime and that is something they did teach us very well, you do NOT argue, you get them out of the way.
So to you, I tip my hat and again I feel VERY sorry you are surrounded by such lackeys! You seem to be the only one in the bunch with a clear idea of where your thoughts lie and can express it in a clear and articulate way. To the rest of your classmates, it is NOT my job to teach them anything! So they may all go and FUCK THEMSELVES! In the scheme of MY AGENDA they are less than dirt , they are pond scum . Let THEIR parents TEACH them to think for themlves , and if *I* were YOU I would be VERY worried of that little symbol they are wearing ! That is how it all started in Nazi Germany!
Informed citizen- I agree with everything you have just said about how messed up our government is. Our government does things that most other countries get in trouble for while nothing happens to the U.S. And you’re right we do have the right to revolt but I don’t think that means that we always should. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t stand up for what is right but we should be careful of how we do it.
In no way was I trying to say was that we should love our government. I personally don’t support it but I do respect the laws that they set unless they go against my personal beliefs. And I would appreciate if you gave me information on socialism and communism are different because I have always understood them to be very similar but I also think you should post it on the blog so others can see.
And I just want to give you credit for apologizing because it says a lot about you and I think it will definitely earn you more respect which is always a good thing.
Killcastro- I also agree with you and respect that you don’t give a crap about what people think, and I understand were you are coming from. But I do think you should know that there are a lot of students at beacon who are like me and a there are only a few that are the way you say beacon kids are. O and I don’t think turner is Informed Citizen it does not sound like him.
Devon:
I think we have a HUGE misunderstanding here. We never said ALL students at Beacon fall in this cultist category (and yes I am sticking with that analogy of “CULTISTS” The Squeaky Frommes to their Charles Manson. Who, by the way ALSO wanted a REVOLT against the government). Notice we said
“mold the minds of his little group of left wing militants”
That HARDLY qualifies as the WHOLE school!.
I also made an unforgivable mistake in not acknowledging a very articulate and intelligent post by someone named Alex (who is also of Cuban descent). So clearly the whole school, not even the majority of the school falls into this travesty of disingenuous teaching. Most probably you are dealing with easy minds, the ones who have never picked up a book and read any real history, those who will always blame someone or something for their inadequacies. Those who feel they must REVOLT! Are just reaching into their most basic instincts, and for those I feel that they should look up the meaning of the word REVOLT!
You see, although I was a bit young to have participated in the 60’s anti-war movements and all that that entailed, coming from a communist country I was amazed that these people could ACTUALLY express themselves as they wish , not only asking for change but REVOLTING in acts of terrorism! That did NOT happen in the USSR and certainly did not happen in Kuba.
This is NOT ancient history tainted by 500 years of embellishments. This should be as fresh to everyone one of you as yesterday’s news and as accessible as the internet. But, the young will be young, and this is not in anyway a bash on the young, it is actually a BASH on those whom we trust to teach our young.
Alex seemed upset at my choice of words and that if I spoke differently the people I was debating with would be more likely to listen or learn. It is NOT my job to have ANYONE learn anything from me. I do NOT have to save USA citizens from a monster who will stick an 11 year old in jail without “Habeas Corpus” (which by now you all know what it is since that other dolt was so kind to parrot something he heard someplace and has not a clue of what it is.)
OUR agenda is to free CUBA, and THANK god we have a country where we are allowed to put in motion that agenda
At age 11 I was thrown in jail in Kuba for giggling at some propaganda film about the Viet Cong – Nothing that ANY of you would not do. A 80 year old Ho Chi Min trying to look MILITARY. Funniest thing you ever saw. But I did not have even the slightest chance to REVOLT. I spent 3 days in jail, my head was shaven (hair too long) and my jeans (who had been sent by an aunt in the USA ) cut to shreds. My parents were not informed and for all they knew I was DEAD. Now let us see you teacher explain this!
Comparing ANY level of freedom in the USA to that of any other country in the world is just asinine! But you need the advantage to have first hand comparisons.
So am I to even show any respect to a high school student who knowing NOTHING about MY suffering or my people’s suffering shows at my door step spewing blatant propaganda and insults? Well, I did not take it in Kuba and I am certainly not going to take it in the USA.
You ALL must be VERY careful as you speak of REVOLTS or REVOLUTIONS because that is the flame that communists and anti-USA agents alike will use to fire up a young mind. Some like you and Alex see through this, some like Informed Citizen (who is just itching to become an UNIFORMED CITIZEN against his own country)
Are just enablers, people without a clue as to the repercussions of their actions or even their thoughts, mean to the well being of the country to which they profess undying love and respect.
Someone said that if you are not a socialist as a young person you like passion and that if you ARE a socialist/communist as an adult you are an idiot.
EVERYTHING is more romantic when you “pose” as a revolutionary. It all goes away when you hit the reality of life and are faced with paying a mortgage, or wanting the better car.
But how many Cubans would LOVE the opportunity to own a home or a better car .. or a CAR any car !
These pseudo socialist cum communist are laughable because not ONCE they actually think in what it is they advocate. In its core meaning communism would entail community ownership. Now ask one of these students if they would be willing to part with their IPOD and give it to some child whose family does not have the means to buy them one, or how many of them have seen a less fortunate child in the street, taken off his/her Nikes and given them away . Or even yet, if a classmate is failing a course will are they willing to share their grades with the failing students. There, in the simple world of High School is a synopsis of what Communism wants from you. But since they never get THAT voluntarily the communist regime will TAKE IT from you and they WILL make everyone equal.
Equally miserable and poor!
I REALLY thought that with the collapse of the USSR it would be clear to EVERYONE that there are NO saviors and COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM does NOT work because it goes against our very OWN DNA. That DNA that says that we must be BETTER that the next guy, be more successful, have a better home. Don’t blame capitalism for it BLAME BIOLOGY and the survival of the fittest!
WE live in the FREEST society the world has ever known. But even YOU agree that our government is “messed up”, now that is a valid assessment , but what is your solution ? Who will un-mess up the government, the democrats? You believe Hillary Clinton can turn this country around? Or Barack Obama can? Someone who just today I see on a picture embracing Rev Al Sharpton the BIGGEST bigot in the USA! A liar a cheat and opportunistic pimp! Or do we feel that Jessie Jackson is the man?
When you find something is MESSED UP you DAMN better have a plan!
John Lennon said it best
“You say you want a revolution ... well we all want to see the plan”
“But if you want money for people with minds that hate.. All I can tell you is brother YOU HAVE TO WAIT!”
Crying foul and opposing something you find egregious while you have NO solution, is leaving you without a REAL power to bring change about, because you will fall victim to people like your Mr. Turner who without ANY compulsion makes a group of students break USA law to go to visit a country who has tortured, ransacked, imprisoned and converted 12 year old girls into whores so they can EAT!
And he does this under the guise that he is protesting a policy? THIS is the man you want you to lead your “REVOLT?”
I encourage you to rent movies like “Who in hell is Yulliet?” see how REAL Cubans live! Mr. Turner will NOT give you this as an assignment . Or “Bitter Sugar” I am POSITIVE he will not give you this as an assignment.
No he will recommend “Motorcycle Diaries” and the upcoming “Che” , but FAIL to mention that this is the same CHE that was known throughout Cuba as THE BUTCHER OF LA CABAña” and that in a speech to the UN , without an ounce of scruples spitted out “
Yes we kill , and we will keep killing until the last enemy of the revolution is annihilated”
How would those classmates who went to Cuba feel if Bush got on TV tomorrow and expressed those sentiments EXACTLY as Che did 46 years ago?
So Mr. Turner and the rest of these merry troops will be facing a firing squad without so much as an explanation and their crime? They disagreed with the government!
And THIS is what has us baffled, how does something like this, a blatant disregard at the USA government (and by the way *I* personally feel these restrictions are onerous, STUPID and inhumane. A law produced in a vacuum by a think tank of assholes who know NOTHING about the reality of Cuba. This law separates families and gives the Cuban people a tremendous amount of antipathy towards the USA!)
But YET it IS A LAW and as USA citizens NOONE has the RIGHT to break a LAW as much as we disagree with it!
So here we have the two side of the same coin - the extremists - the ones we NEED to keep in check but we CAN do that through the constitutional rights we DO have and regardless of all the anti-USA propaganda have NOT been taken away from us.
Choose your leaders wisely Devon & Alex (and that is why I don’t feel a compulsion to TEACH. I make a LOUSY leader because my heart is FILLED with pain and hatred towards that which Mr. Turner embraces and *I* as Che would’ve done would have pummeled this Turner guy to a pulp and then send him go live in Kuba, and drink the water that is (as we speak) killing Cubans by the hundreds, since through some horrendous fuck up the sewage water has contaminated the potable water. This is such a terrible and blatant disregard for the well being of Cubans and falls so squarely on the shoulders of the KaSStro government they have not been able to pin this on some CIA plot!
One thing I can promise you 99.9% of all Cubans YOUR age would DIE to be in your place THINK about that all of you. Why are these kids risking their lives trying to escape THAT paradise in an inner tube while those classmates of yours who went to Kuba did it in the most comfortable and safe methods of transport. Do ANY of them ask this question? Does Mr. Turner explain to you why over 125,000 Cubans have died trying to COME to a country you feel has a “messed up government”?
As I have said DO NOT become a zombie, do NOT accept what anyone is selling on the basis of their likeability quotient. There was NO president more well liked that JFK and it was HIM who got us neck deep I Vietnam, yet it was an asshole like Nixon who got us out. Now go ruminate on THAT!
There is always MORE behind the curtain and you have the right to look behind it, BUT be ready to act intelligently once you see what is there because just burning the curtain down will enable someone with a LOT more experience and probably a more sinister agenda to put up HIS own curtain.
To the best of my knowledge no New York City school teacher ever took his class to South Africa during the era of apartheid. If one had been so reckless as to try, he would have been immediately denounced by the principal and every other teacher at his school and known in the full extent of its meaning what it is to have the world fall on his head. The trip, of course, would never had happened even if it had cost the kids absolutely nothing. No parent would have wanted to inject his son or daughter into such a volatile situation much less condone tourism to a country whose people were no themselves free to travel not to other countries but even within the boundaries of their own country (as, incidentally, is also the case in Cuba, North Korea and nowhere else).
Although the trip may not have been intended as an endorsement of the Afrikaaner government, it would certainly have been used for that purpose by its officials, as Beacon School's trip to Cuba was used by Castro's propagandists.
No doubt the visitors to South Africa would have returned extolling the beauty of the country and hospitality of its beautiful people. And they, too, would have defended the white supremacist teacher who "opened their eyes" about the "reality" of apartheid in South Africa. They may not all have become fans of Botha as all of Mr. Turner's students appear to have become fans (or apologists) for Castro, but they would certainly have taken from that trip perverted notions about human freedom which, if unchecked, might have made them photographic negatives of your own pathetic Mr. Turner.
Mr. Turner, by the way, is the least vulnerable of all of you. Even if he is fired for violating the regulations of the NYC Education Department and the laws of the United States (which every American is free to question but not to violate) that will simply mean that he will be sent on a sabbatical for life at full pay, which is the closest that you can come in NYC to firing a teacher who puts his students' lives in danger and brings discredit on his school and the entire system.
You all agree that your trip to Cuba was an "enriching experience." How "enriching" was it? Surely at least $65,000's worth. Surely your parents can afford it, or, if not, their salaries can always be garnished by the government and you can go to CUNY instead of Darmouth (though all but Devon are hardly fit for community college). And remember when you are undergoing those small economies that you have one man to thank for it — your beloved Mr. Turner, who cares as much about you as Castro cares about his people.
"contradicting one post with another , being an insulting prick in one post and then TRYING to appear articulate and self controlled in the other"- so i contradicted myself because of my tone...you may want to check the definition of contradict.
"SORRY that is what the MSM reports . The same MSM that reports that Posada Carriles blew a plane full of Cubans when every Cuban knows KaSStro himself blew up that plane"-then why do you continue to trust this source. Obviously it has a political agenda. You know it's wrong, why read it?
"Because it is clear that no matter how likeable this guy is he is just NOT a very smart individual. Just a child of a hippy family carrying on the tradition"- Turner is extremely smart. But you wouldn't care. Just becasue he goes to cuba, hes a dumb, communist fool. Also, he comes from an incredibly rich family in the mid west. Not the hippy type. Again, jumping to conclusions...that seems to be a habbit of yours.
"which by now you all know what it is since that other dolt was so kind to parrot something he heard someplace and has not a clue of what it is"-Right, cause i haven't takes three courses on it. Oh ya, i haven't read the Patriot Act or the Millitary COmmisions Act. YOu got me there. Conclusions...Tsk Tsk Tsk
"I spent 3 days in jail, my head was shaven (hair too long) and my jeans (who had been sent by an aunt in the USA ) cut to shreds. My parents were not informed and for all they knew I was DEAD."-can now happen in America, only they can hold you for as much time as they see fitting.
Now we've come to the conclusion that killcastro jumps to conclusions, I'd like to say the both of you are probably right. The students probably we're only taught the good. Killcastro, you said you weren't recponcible for teaching other people...How do you propose people learn about the actual situation in cuba? Just curiousy. You should spend your time educating the people who you bash instead of...bashing them. If it really is this bad in Cuba, then by all means, there should be a revolt. But, you shouldn't jump to these conclusions that Turner is an idiot or that im ignorant.
Also, why do you fear communism. What's so goos about capitalism? The starving and dying in Africa sure don't like it. I can't remember the name, but a major pharmicudical company(lets call it "A") sued another("B" ) because they were making a cheaper, generic version of an AIDS drug. Company B made the drug for about five cents a piece. They can't make it any more and now, company A sells it for about a dollar a pop. My point is, there are flaws with every economic and political system.
okay here is my proposal...get your liberal ass together with all those liberal fucks from hollywood and go to africa and begin to make a change against capitalism..will see if communism is any better...a rich communist is something like lennin and kasstro alike
Neither system is better over the other. They both hAve their flaws, i was just pointing that out.
So, communism is equal to capitalism, Informed Citizen. Somehow, you're still living in the Upper West Side of New York and have not moved to Cuba. Which tells me that there must be something slightly better for you on this side of the pond.
Did you notice that there are rafts coming to the USA and that there are not rafts going to Cuba?
Can't call you a moron. Because morons are really brilliant compared to you dimwit. Nice education you're getting from the other thickskull the commie propagandist. I know somebody in Cuba who will happily trade places with you. Sorry idiot, it will only be a one way street, you go there, you fucking stay. And you will enjoy the wonders of communism which according to you and your stupid teacher is the same as capitalism....
well capitalism could have some flaws I agreed,nothing is perfect in this fucking life, so get over of that idea "the perfect paradise"
That shit only exist in "fictional books"(el manifiesto cumunista) and in some(liberals and rich twigs with a lot of time in their hands) peoples mind.
Communism is a total FLAW in the other hand..
A sistem that rules terrorizing his citizens,inside the state fear is created and your mind is your worst enemy when it comes to survival,beacuse if your follow your mind you will end up dead or in some dark cell.
Communism or socialism(same shit)controls everything...take a look a Chavez,the oils fields belongs to him now,the bigest thief in south america!
I choose capitalism because if you work hard you earn you rewards.
God Bless the USA!
Informed Citizen- I agree that there are flaws all political systems but that does not make it ok what is happening in Cuba. I cannot emphasize enough how we really can speak about communism because we have never lived under it.
And just because some of the same injustices that happen in Cuba happen here in the U.S. that does not make them ok. I’m sure that is not what you are trying to say but when you compare everything Killcastro says that happens in Cuba to what happens here it comes off that way.
I think Killcastro is just trying to make his point that communism is not what a lot of beacon students think it is. Yes they know that there are flaws but not what the extent of those flaws are but we do know the flaws in capitalism and because of that it s easier to in away defend communism and continue bashing capitalism. One thing I do think many Americans forget especially the younger generation is that although there are major flaws in capitalism we are still incredibly lucky to live in America because we are given more opportunities that most people around the world and I think that Turner can agree with that.
Killcastro- I believe that you and Charlie Bravo should educate. It may not seem as though it is your job but it is in a way. You are Cuban, you have lived in Cuba and in America so therefore you can compare the two. You can say things about both and know what you are talking about which is something may of us cannot do and I think you should take advantage of that. Tell people what you want them to know about Cuba the good and the bad.
It seems as though no progress have been mad. You still think Turner is a dumbass (although he is not he in fact is very smart although I agree he can be better educated on certain things) and informed citizen is still defending communism although he knows nothing about what it is like to live under a communist system. The conversation continues to go in circles, one person calls another ignorant and vice versa. It is very frustrating.
Manuel A. Tellecha- You are jumping to conclusions about Turner and the students that went to Cuba. And like I say time and time again you really shouldn’t do that because you are going to come off looking really stupid because you are not properly informed about everything.
Tocororo_Frikki- I think you are choosing capitalism for the wrong reasons. Not everyone that works hard is rewarded with what they deserve. I think that is the one thing that sticks out the most about capitalism. My dad works more that one job and he does not get nearly what he deserves.
well devon as I cuban exile I found this sistem to be my blessing besides living a decent average american life I have the freedom to disagree with a lot of issues,I let my voice ring loud when I am not content with anything in particular and this means a lot to me...freedom of speech.a freedom that no one will never have in a left wing enviroment because they will silence you or kill you plain and simple.
I understand your point about your dad and I respect that.
like I say before nothing is perfect in this life and I do too strugle with bills(god knows)I live in the city.
It takes a lot of sacrifice and long hours of work to maintain a house together..two cars and many more things and I think the reward is there to be able to survive and cover all the expenses,to live with dignity ...maybe sometimes we don't see it(but is there) and I feel very lucky to be able to bust my ass for a living.
I don't think that the same injustices that happen in KUBA
happen here in the great usa..that is just crazy to think something like that girl!
I think you are a very mature individual for your age,but I also found that you are been misguide even if your intentions are good.
best regards
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Nathan Turner's Trip to Cuba
The New York Sun has covered high school teacher Nathan Turner's illegal trip to Cuba that several lawmakers have condemned. The Sun's Jacob Gershman points out that Congressman Jerrold Nadler had written a letter indicating that he was "pleased" about the trip. I have written letters to the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control, which is responsible for enforcement of the sanctions concerning Cuba, and to Mr. Nadler. Conservative estimates are that Fidel Castro has murdered over 100,000 of his own citizens, several times more than Pinochet murdered. Castro has thrown his country into poverty, reduced standards of living and has tortured and imprisoned political prisoners.
As Andrew Wolf reported on April 17, Turner's trip is not an isolated incident. Mayor Bloomberg wrested control of the city's schools from the Board of Education early in his tenure. Since then, he has supported 15 "social justice" high schools. As Wolf points out, social justice high schools have seen students encouraged to lie to the police and adopt anti-American and pro-terrorist ideologies. Although Mayor Bloomberg has criticized Mr. Turner's illegal trip, he has done nothing to close the inappropriate and doctrinaire "social justice" high schools.
PO Box 130
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West Shokan, NY 12494
April 19, 2007
Office of Foreign Assets Control
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Treasury Annex
1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20220
Dear OFAC:
I would like to bring to your attention a violation of federal law by a New York City schoolteacher, Nathan Turner. The violation was reported in the New York Sun on April 18 and 19. The April 19 article is at http://www.nysun.com/article/52820.
Mr. Turner ought to be prosecuted for several reasons. First, he has violated federal law. Second, as a teacher he offers an example to his students. Law-breaking is not the example a teacher ought to offer. Third, New York City has established a series of left-wing “social justice schools” that encourage antipathy toward the police, toward the United States and toward your office. You should not take Mr. Turner’s indoctrination of our children to have contempt for the United States, toward its laws and its values lightly. The nation ought to make clear to Mr. Turner, and to New York City that their indoctrinating children into anti-American prejudice is inconsistent with our nation’s core values. Fourth, it should not bear reminding that Fidel Castro is a sociopathic butcher. As the Libertad Act of 1996 points out, the Cuban government engages in armed terrorism against the United States; utilizes torture; and has an unacceptable human rights record. More to the point, Fidel Castro has murdered more than 100,000 of his own citizens, several times more than Pinochet murdered. The indifference of Mr. Turner and left-wing New York politicians to Castro’s record of butchery cries out for a courageous response from your office. New York City and its ignorant, left wing bigots, to include Congressman Jerrold Nadler, have winked at mass murder, and your office needs to let New York City know that the United States does not agree with Congressman Nadler’s contempt for human life.
Sincerely,
Mitchell Langbert
Congressman Jerrold Nadler
2334 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Congressman Nadler:
The New York Sun reports that you have written a letter to Nathan Turner, a New York City High School teacher, indicating that you are "pleased" about his trip to Cuba. As you may not be aware, conservative estimates are that Fidel Castro has murdered more than 100,000 of his own citizens; has engaged in torture; and has encouraged acts of terrorism against the United States. That you are pleased that a high school in New York City encourages its students to engage in "exchange" with a despotic dictatorship that has systematically starved and murdered its populace; engaged in torture and encouraged acts of terrorism against the United States suggests either gross incompetence or depraved indifference on your part. You are the equivalent of holocaust denier.
Sincerely,
Mitchell Langbert
Tocororo_Frikki- I understand what you are saying about being fortunate to live here and I also understand that the same injustices may not happen here as they do in Cuba because as we all can agree we are given rights which Cubans do not have etc. I don’t think what I said came out the right way. I’m not trying to say that we (Americans) are treated as bad a Cubans I was only trying to emphasize that some really bad things happen here even to the innocent.
Also I would like it if you could explain to me how I am being misguided. What is it that I don’t understand or what I am looking at the wrong way?
I agree with Devin. I am not a cuban american, but I do believe that what the students in Beacon are doing is wrong. As a currently enrolled student in Beacon myself, I feel as people are misjudging the school. We are not all communists, and I know none of you made that argument, but I'm sure the media tried to get that theory across. Secondly, the students who went to Cuba, somewhat feel a need to represent the issues going on in Cuba. But what do they really know? They didn't live in Cuba... they were there for only a week. And they don't have any family members in Cuba who they can never see. I have friends who are Cuban-American and they have family in Cuba that they've never heard about... and will never get to meet, and it kills me, that such a policy is in effect, and AMERICAN students who are not in any way affilated with Cuba, can represent that pain. They don't know what they are talking about. They shouldn't feel the need to represent the people of Cuba. Instead, it would be nice if they just talk about what they learned about Cuban culture... instead of bringing up the entire embargo situation in Cuba. They have the freedom of speech... but do they have any actual meaning behind their actions? I don't think any of them experienced life as a real Cuban. I do not know a lot about the Cuban situation, but what I know about my friends, and how they feel about Cuba is enough. I know whats going on in Cuba isnt right, and some people feel the need to express how they feel... but I think they shouldn't go around acting like they know everything about Cuba. They just went on a one-week educational trip to Cuba to learn about culture. I do not know what Turner's intentions were, but I do know that even if he is a communist, there is no need for him to go and convince students to become communists, and I dont think that the trip to Cuba was meant for that... and I understand Killcastro, where you would get the idea, and I kinda believe that the students who went on the trip (not all of them, some of them are my friends) do feel like they can represent the problems in Cuba, when in reality they can't and should not, because my own friends, who are Cuban-American can't even express their feelings for Cuba, and they cant even see their families.. EVER. That is my only concern with the Cuba trip- that and the fact that they went illegally but do not want to say anything... everyone knows you guys went illegally, might as well fess up.
devon I was referring to the comparison of the Kuban sistem and our sistem..the injustices and so on
I also think this is most humanitarian country in the world
no matter how many times we hear the msm and the assholes from holliywood on the oposition..I think the actions speak for themselves.
Well awright NIKKI!
See it is REALLY simple to grasp the truth if you are just willing to accept it ! To come back with this convoluted story of KNOWING Cuban history in a week and taking the trip as a an act of civil disobedience is UTTER bullshit. I would like to know of those who did GO how many met, slept , ate or spent more than a few hours with a typical Cuban family. I wonder if they realize that the places where they went are verboten to Cubans. That they in fact showed their FULL support for an apparteihd system more insiduous than that in South Africa.
Ask Mr. Turner why Reporters withour borders cassifies Cuba as one of the most oppressed countries in the world , AND reporters without borders comprise people from all nationalities and political leanings! So EVEN communists feel that KaSStros hell is just way TOO HOT!
That is right boys and girls, your Mr. Turner took you all to a prison where you had an outside view into the lives of the inmates, but of course NONE of you slept on the cots or defecated in the latrines. This is indoctrination 101 , and students like Nikki, Devon and Alex MUST , it is YOUR DUTY to questions Turner's intention and his total disregard for the truth that is KaSStro's Cuba. I also wonder why this guy doesn’t take us on a debate , I will be more than happy to show him the scars I received as an 11 year old in Cuba just for carrying Beatles albums ( those were the BIG plastic things) under my arm. Was Mr. Turner or ANY of those who complaint about the injustices in the USA EVER beaten up by a cop for carrying a CD , or your hair cut off in a police station because it was too long ?
And Nikki makes an excellent point, why May I NOT see my family in Cuba, (granted it is a ridiculous law, so is driving at 55 miles an hour) but we Cuban-Americans choose to comply with this law , why these "students" just say fuck it , I will break the law and spend some time hanging out in the forbidden Caribbean having sex with 12 year old girls forced into prostitution and pay her $10.00 USD
Way to go Mr. Turner you cult leader wanna be!
As to those who went and feel they did a GREAT thing, shame on YOU ALL! You took a shit on 12 million people to satisfy your very capitalist pleasures how hypocritical and utterly inhumane! If there was an OUNCE of decorum in your moral fabric you WOULD (now that you are aware of what you have done) question Turner , nail him to the wall! And ASK WHY did he lie to you and why did he put you in a position to insult the lives of 12 million Cubans and their families in the USA.
Devon, Nikki, Alex,
Thanks for your opinions, and for consider us fitting for education. For now, we have other day jobs, so our educational gig's happening in the blog.
Thanks for coming and reading us, and we certainly invite y'all to read all other posts as well as our other blog, the Black Sheep of Exile, the first one on the blogroll. Y'all will find a lot in common with the Cuban youth that lives in Cuba and who are producing amazing music and art, in spite of what the tyranny does to them on a daily basis.
Those are the ones who can really give Turner a run for his money, and the ones who can engage in a really educational and productive dialogue with your fellow classmates who went to Cuba.
Keep on coming, y'all are very welcome here.
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