Boycott Spain?
Which we won’t do.
Why?
Do you think that “Spain” is what Moratinos or Zapatero or the big business represent, or that Spain is what the Spanish people put together as a whole with their culture, traditions, and work?
Great logic, brainiacs.
So we have to boycott Spain due to the politicians –a bunch of communist pricks, no doubt- but because of them we need to harm the business of a lot of farmers, cheese and wine producers, and many others, who have absofuckinglutely nothing to do with the red policies of the government and much less with the Spanish big business.
Let me tell you one thing, those reds will be out of business in the next elections in Spain, most likely without your help.
True, a lot of Spaniards are sex predators who are going to Cuba for a cheap thrill.
Will you paint all Spaniards with the same wide brush?
Yes?
Well, what about Americans breaking the laws of this country going to Cuba for the same sexual cheap thrills? There is a bunch of them down there as we speak, just for you to know. And there was Gary Glitter, so get another brush for the Brits.
Also, I hate to break the news to you; the United States is a larger trading partner for Cuba today than Spain.
And we have criminal regulation of the dry-foot wet-foot, so you are escaping Cuba and the American Coast Guard returns you to Cuba’s own “firebrand” tormentor.
And we have more senators and politicians, and farmers and academics going to Cuba than any other country in the world.
Are you going to boycott the U.S.A? Let me know where the hell are you going to go.
If you’re willing to consider the whole population of a country the target of your tantrums do not think for a second that people are going to think of you any differently or that you’re going to receive any consideration, after all, you come from a fucking terrorist country! Or you’re really planning to tell me that Kasstro’s Kuba is not a terrorist country.
Let me give you a hint here on the rules of capitalistic market, something is for sale, yes?
Well, in order to sell you need a product or a service, money to be exchanged, and you also need a seller and a buyer to complete the operation.
Kasstro sells Cuba –as Kuba. There are business opportunities down there and Americans and Spaniards, Canadians and Chinese, Portuguese and German, Italian and Israelis, all of them are buying. I blame them for trading with stolen property with a tyrant, but I can’t paint all of their countries with the same wide brush in foul smelling brown paint.
The one I blame and boycott is Kasstro. He is the responsible for the apartheid in Cuba.
Are you boycotting Porsche, Volkswagen, Siemens, Krupp, Mercedes Benz, Ford, and German engineering? They all supported Hitler!
What message do you exactly send when you say boycott Spain or whatever other country? I will tell you, you’re saying that you are grossly mistaken confusing the identity of the politicians with that of the people, and that you don’t give a shit if the small business owner and the people of that country suffer just because you dislike the politicians and the big business based on their territory and their actions with regards to Cuba. Which is your right to dislike, we also dislike them, don’t get me wrong.
That’s not the cleverest recipe when trying to gather the solidarity and support the Cuban people needs today more than ever.
Now, let’s say that you successfully boycott Spain. You will find that you need to be consistent and boycott the whole damn world, because every country has business in Cuba, and yeah, almost every country has some john in search of a jinetera right now in Cuba.
Do you realize that you’re advocating for the isolation of the Cuban people, and that’s exactly what kasstro wants?
I mean, you’re playing by HIS book.
No Journalistes sans Frontiers visiting Cuba, some of them are Spaniards and they are the ones with the command of the language to communicate with the Cuban you find on the street. No more music impresarios –who are saving a bunch of Cuban musicians from starving to death and from ostracism, and who are helping them to leave the island unlike the Estefans, for example. No more people helping Cubans to survive, and not more people smuggling things in and out for the dissidents. Great!
Jineteras? They will be always there. That’s call'd Earth’s oldest profession for something.
No Spaniards? Who cares? You have all the crews of the different nations merchant marines roaming to all of Old Havana looking for cinnamon colored beauties. How many of them are American? Or do you think that the vessels that participate on the American trade with Cuba are manned by Klingons?
When you are at it, please also propose to boycott the whole damn European Union, Japan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Israel, South Africa, the NATO, the whole ex-USSR, England, and do not forget Brazil, Chile, and Argentina. Of course you can also boycott Venezuela, I don’t like Chavez, what the hell. Don’t by anything from the weak private industry in Venezuela so Chavez can gain momentum and take over them. Don’t get me wrong, do boycott the petroleum from Venezuela, because that’s in the hands of Chavez already.
But the others?
One day you will have to build Planet Kuba if you keep at boycotting everybody.
Are you boycotting Saudi Arabia and Iran? Don’t think so, because you’re car is still running, unless it runs on ethanol from the Midwest. Iran? Yes, this country buys things from Iran. Surprise?
By the way, boycott the American Army. They bought Cuban cigars for Satan Hussein, they were apparently “mission specific”, to keep the deposed dictator homey and comfy until his date with the executioner.
I hope you don’t eat any chorizos or Manchego cheese, and that your bottle of sparkling wine to celebrate kasstro’s death is not “producto de España”. I also hope that in your childish tantrum you don’t go and spit on the graves of your Spanish ancestors, wait, you can’t do that, they are most likely buried in Cuba!


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I have I deep love for spain,besides that point from my mothers side my great grandpa's were gallegos and from my fathers side they were Isleños,so as you could see I have a strong fusion of caracters...like a old friend told me once..mi herma gallego con isleño candela!tremenda receta!
I do know this, the spanish wines are the best in the world along with the french,el jamon serrano eso es crema!
Why Boycot spain?
I know a lot of spaniards that are againts zapatin cabeza de pingin o como le dice un socio italiano mio
Zapatero una testa di cazzo!!!
Viva Cuba libre!
Viva España!
The only Spanish export which Cuban exiles consume more than anyone expect the Spaniards themselves, and which, if boycotted would have a disastrous effect on that industry is — turrones. A hint or two dropped in that direction could have a miraculous effect on our Spanish friends. Personally, I couldn't survive Christmas without turrones, so I would take no part in that boycott. However, if there were to be a boycott that would be Spain's Achilles' heel.
By the way, do people in Cuba today have any notion at all of what turrones are? I don't ask if they still observe the tradition of eating turrones at Noche Buena, because, of course, the only tables in Cuba that are still festooned with them are those belonging to Castro & Company (the rare hardwood tables, btw, are stolen like everything else in their homes).
Some years ago I saw an ad for Serrano hams in a Spanish magazine which boasted that Castro had a standing order with their firm. I wish I could find it.
well serrano is the style similar but not quite too similar to prosciutto the are several brands out there like the italian cousin been the most famous one Pata Negra kind or jamon iberico that flavor is heaven on earth my brother!
what's the deal with this fucking blogger..man this new blogger sucks ass!
Actually they STILL figure out ways of getting TURRON, remember those "Dollar Stores" carry EVERYTHING that was available in Pre-KaSStro days. Hell, at Ma Meson they have a Gucci and a Cartier boutique!
Foreigners who live in Kuba need a place to be supplied with the same goodies they left back home! Kindda weird see a well tanned young couple of Teutonic looking model types driving an AUDI TT on 5th Ave in the midst of all the 1950s Chevys and rusted out Moskovitchs.
One of my biggest surprises after going back to Cuba was the fact that most of the costumes were still in place. They may spend 6 months salary in a Noche Buena dinner and it may be something that bears no relevance to the newer generations but somehow they get the lechon , the congris the yuca the turron and the sidra! Again a family will spend all their wages from 6 months of hard work, just for THAT day , but god damn it NOCHE BUENA IT IS!
I saw Chorizos El Miño , El Ebro , Sidra El Gaitero (alegra el mundo entero) , turrron Sanchis Mira (Mira Mira llegaron los turrones de Sanchis Mira) – God those were crappy commercials weren’t they !?
One thing I never saw was jamon Serrano ¡ dunno why!
yes this new blogger SUCKS ! I dont now if ASS is the right word but jesus H Christ it SUCKS!
I have to at least put that stupid keyword at least 3 times before I get a post. Every else uses a 4 letter keycode with a cross hatched patter but Blogger goes for the most convulted and difficult to interpret letter combos, today I had (I SWEAR qqrstwrrtw not one of the Rs looked like the other one nor did any of the qs) I'd love to meet the person who came up with this and bash their heads in , I am sure they are SO proud!
Well, turrones and everything else for Christmas got to Cuban tables thought these three ways; diplmercados and blackmarket, Spaniards who visit Cuba and carry care packages for thir Cuban friends or newly acquired in laws, or though Cubans who livew in Spain and are not prevented from visiting their relatives or told who are their relatives and who are not and much less are they prevented from bringing them care packages and money. By the way, those Cubans wouldn't think of boycotting the USA for the restrictive policies against free travel, or the dry foot wet foot policy, which is the most inhuman and anti-American thing ever concocted, or for being kasstro's largest trading partner.
I must be working WAY too hard, cause I just realized the root of this thread which was someone asking to boycott Spain? Is that the gist of this? Have we gone totally fucking stark raving loony?
Whose brain fart was this?
Was this writer starting the campaign? Are people THAT fucking desperate to begin ANYTHING no matter how fucking stupid, just for the sake of starting something and be the first one on LA COMPARSA ?
What the fuck has happened to INTELLIGENCE? Why don’t we boycott, er , fuck lets boycott all of the EU and throw in Iceland just cause they piss me off !
WHO is coming up with this shit? What the FUCK has gotten into to some people who all of a sudden have become strategy experts? Is their desire to be the LEADERS THAT overwhelming? Do they stop for a fraction of a second to realize how fucking moronic they sound? God damn it.. These are Cuban-Americans eh?
So the fact that the great majority of Spaniards HATE KaSStro means two fucks to these assholes, we boycott Spain, cause why? I mean what is the intellectual rational where is the pay off? This is like a monkey throwing shit against a canvas to see if something sticks and can be sold as a Picasso.
So MUCH to do, with such clear path to do it.. like having 12 million people starving 90 miles from our shores , families suffering the pain of separation , the Kuban government on an a new fund political clamp down and we are gonna BOYCOTT SPAIN?
Talk about pedaling the stationary bike man! Just let us come up with MORE inane, moronic, stupid and totally useless strategies. Let us kill KaSStro if not with a bullet to the head with a laughing conniption.
I can just see all the anti-KaSStro groups in Spain LED by Spaniards, who actually do MORE against KaSStro than MANY Cubans do here in the USA, going well FUCK YOU Sinderulfo!
Boycott Spain, YOU STUPID FUCKS! Boycott the USA … then we are sending KaSStro more food than the entire EU combined, you mental retard.
CB please post this asshole’s name, let us start calling them out , fuck this shit . We need to distance these “Cuban-Americans “from those who have an IQ above room temperature otherwise the WORLD will think we are all inbred knee-jerk fucks and blame US for having KaSStro in power for 48 years because ….
WE BOYCOTTED SPAIN! BRILLIANT General Flatulence, just BRILLIANT!
UTTERLY-FUCKING –AMAZING!
Oh wait I GET IT …
BOYCOTT SPAIN, because once Cuba is free it will be the Spaniards who will put their sorry asses out of business and send them to the welfare lines! So BOYCOTT SPAIN , cause the Spaniards had the foresight and wherewithal to prepare for a FREE CUBA and make the country economically independent without any hand out from the USA!
Okey never mind... I get it now.
My long post about this just disappeared.
Well, the most interesting thing is that we have more Spaniards that hate kasstro than Americans who openly hate him and support our cause. Instead of youths who are politically involved and who are confronting their own government about the policies supporting kasstro we have schoolchildren led to indoctrination by communist teachers!
We don't have politicians with the cojones to oppose the criminal dry foot wet foot imposed by Clinton and upheld by W. We don't have any Americans leading any effort to depose kasstro, and we have a bunch of Spaniards and Italians leading those movements in their countries!
By the same token, Melia Hotels is legally the owner of the land where their facilities sit: they bough the land deeds hush hush from their legal owners at market prices right here in the States!
Bet that many people didn't know that.... But no, let's boycott Spain!
I choose not to reply to the e-mail of the person who wanted us to jump onto that bandwagon because I have no time for ridiculous pretenses like that one. I choose to write a series of posts pointing out how stupid and pathetic is the idea of boycotting Spain or any other country for that matter.
If someone wants to start boycotting a country and they want to be consistent they should boycott the country which is the largest provider for kasstro, which returns the refugees, and whose intelligence collaborates with kasstro's intelligence. But that would be the USA!
Of course, that would leave those "reasonings" without any footing. Or heading. Or tails or snouts.
Maybe the "boycotter" doesn't know this:
During my trips through Spain -and also through Italy- I've found that the common man and woman on the streets harbor a huge hatred for kasstro. Its' very simple to understand: Cuba was the Americas for them just before 1959. They looked at Cuba as a promised land of sorts, they were flocking the Cuban embassies and consulates to come to Cuba and become Cubans.
A lot of unknowns told me that they were just waiting for a free Cuba to happen for them to sell everything and move to Cuba to help bring the country up to world class standards and to recover its former glory. I have heard the same in this country from fewer people, actually, I have rarely heard that.
Our course, when somebody says "boycott Spain!" they are just talking for their small group of short sighted followers. They are not talking for me or KillCastro, for our readers (who by the way, speak for themselves with great intelligence and resolve without our guidance that they don't need) and much less for the Cubans who live in Spain who don't harbor any resentment towards the Cubans in the Island and who can travel to Cuba to see relatives and friends whenever they have the euros to do it. And I have to say that having lived both in Cuba and abroad, I know how well received is a dollar or an euro when somebody is in need of medication or food. I also know how happy people who are just our far flung relative or a friend or one of those "familia de corazon y no de sangre" feel when he sees a friendly face and fuse in an embrace.
But no, let's follow some two-bit bozo who wants to boycott Spain.
As we say, why don't you just build fucking Planet Kuba and become the new commander in fucking chief? That's exactly what the people of Cuba needs and wants from you!
Charlie:
Always remember to copy before submitting a comment to Blogger (and copy it every time that you are prompted to do word verification, however many times that may be). Recently I forgot to do that and lost what I consider my best essay ever (on what constitutes real democracy). Nevertheless, I think that Blogger is a wonder and surely the best value for the money in cyberspace.
Yes, in some cases, at least, the Spanish hoteliers have been able to purchase the land on which they built their hotels from their legal pre-revolutionary owners. The legality of such transactions is in question, however. All sales or transfers of land must be registered by the government, and, of course, no legal government exists in Cuba to do that, nor would the usurper regime consent to, either. So I should advice the Spaniards to be ready to pay for that land twice. Of course, since all of these firms partnered with the Castro regime in building these hotels, they are at risk of losing everything anyway. Personally, I think that once Cuba is free the owners should be given the option of buying Castro's share from the state at market value and the profits realized from the sale used to compensate Spanish emigrants whose properties were stolen by Castro and who were forced by the Spanish government to accept a fraction of a penny on the dollar in "compensation" from the Castro regime not too long ago. Spanish properties valued at $5 billion were sold in this piñata to Castro for $10 million. The new Spanish entrepreneurs were more than willing to stick it to the old grocers in order to finally settle this issue and bury it forever. They made one slight miscalculation, again. Some day soon, they will all be bound by the laws of a democratic Cuba, which will surely look with greater favor on the dispossessed grocers than on this new class of vultures.
killcastro:
The news that they still celebrate Noche Buena in Cuba with all the trimmings is the most re-assuring news that I've had from the island in decades.
Someone who left the island in the late 1960s told me once that when turrones became scarce she used to visit the countryside and buy bags of peanuts, which she ground in her blender, mixed with sugar and eggs (if available) and baked in the oven. The resulting product delighted the children and was not too offensive to the adults.
Manuel,
The land deals were done under the laws of the United States, at market price, by willing owners. Some didn't sell, so the Spaniards have to look for another piece of land. The registries for the transaction are located -to the best of our knowledge- with a London arbiter firm, so they are protected. That firm is said to be one that has been dealing with the return to their legal owners of all pieces of property stolen to the European Jewry.
They, the Spaniards, have been careful on not building anything on land "given" to them by the Cuban tyranny, because they know what they stand for once Cuba is free. They were there once, in 1898 and they don't want to be bodegueros anymore. Of course, there are other entrepeneurs from Spain and other countries who have not followed the letter of the law. And those have beend doubly stupid: for dealing with a tyrant, and for not protecting their assets.
As we very well know, kasstro is a hell of a con artist and a swindler, even now in infirmity. He has hoodwinked all those empresarios into investing in Cuba, to steal their money and confiscate their business when he sees fit, as it has happened to many European and Canadian businesspeople.
One interesting thing is that many Cubans have been able to sell their houses before leaving Cuba -houses they legally owned from pre-revolutionary times- and also houses they have obtained from their legal owners through "permutas" and illegal (on the eyes of the tyranny) sales. I even know of someone who got the consul of Germany to approve a long term lease to a German to whom he left his house in Miramar (this gentleman's father built the house, his son now resides in Switzerland, and he collect rents from his German tenant!)
A friend who is a property rights and tax attorney once told me that Cuba is going to be a very interesting case. I suspect so....
Going back to Spain, let's take a look what I reject from Spain; the taurine blood sport and several "fiestas" in which animals are savagely tortured. Of course, there are many Spaniards who also look in horror to those "fiestas".
I wrote a letter to Zapatero once protesting his decision to suspend one particular fiesta, the "Quema de Mahoma" in Valencia because it offended the Moors. But he has not done a peep in order to suspend "fiestas" that include the torment of an animal like the corridas and el toro embolado, even when there are forces in the Parliament who are against those. And I know you're smiling and thinking of the famous ape legislation. I think that the law was written to protect Latin American tyrants friendly to Mr. Zapatero, all of them are great apes, fidel and raul for example, but no Chavez and Evo, who are mere monos titi -at least if one evaluates their intelligence!
(I take care with my posts in the manner you said, but I was posting from a public place with my handheld device, so I had to come back home to recreate my musings....)
Yes Manuel, the Cuban people conserves many traditions in the most pure way possible with whatever they have available. A British diplomat once told me that the Cuban people reminded him of his family, eating formally at the table with half of his house bombed out by a Nazi V2.
I can tell you, my family celebrated Christmas even when there was nothing to celebrate with, raising fine crystal glasses filled with water instead of sidra, wine or champaigne.
I even remember a meatless Christmas, during which we ate fish, like the Southern Italian do. I remember also how we would have a Christmas dinner actually on the 24th, and a Christmas lunch more modest on the 25th, and have only huevos fritos con arroz blanco for the New Years Eve. I remember the abajo fidel that would resonate in the kitchen of our accross from the street neighbors -who are my family nomatter what the American government interpretation is- on New Years Eve.
The people of Cuba has kept their traditions free of commercialism and bastardization, in part due to the scarcities of the robulution, but also because they are fierce defenders of their traditions and culture. Ask any newcomer, they love Christmas in freedom, but they will tell you that commercialism is not what Christmas is all about. They will give you a modest present for Christmas or The Three Kings, but they believe that Jesus was the gift to all of us, so many of them eschew the expensive present which they reserve for a birthday or a graduation day.
Good point CB. I hadn't thought about it. You can win battles with carrots instead of sticks too I suppose. But I am supporting the media campaign to shine the light on the Spanish government's complicity with the Castro boys. That is fair play on our part and may even speed the socialists demise along at the nex election.
Exactly, there are many people inside Spain Tomas that are just sledgehammering at the socialist god with clay feet as we speak. They hold no chance of getting elected again. They have experienced an exodus of voters to the file and rank of the Partido Popular, which has been always supportive of the Anti-Castro fight.
If all else fails, free Cuba can always levy a collaboratinist tax on all foreign companies which conducted business in Cuba under the tyrannical regime of Fidel Castro with all the usurpations of workers' rights and general abuses inherent in such [double-]dealings. Certainly no company that so conducted business should be exempt from the consequences of that decision. The principled companies that did not should not be penalized nor preferential treatment given to those that did collaborate with the regime.
Manuel, we should also add that many executives of those companies have aided many Cubans to escape and seek refuge in third countries. Those people are to be honored, as the saviours they were. It's a very mixed bag we are going to find....
Mr. T :
Like everything else in life it boils down to economics and capitalism.
Many are the foreign companies that have invested in Kuba, but many are the workers , the poor souls that are able to go home with an extra chunk of bread , or meat because the Melia hotels are in Kuba.
Melia looses close to a million DAILY by having 17 hotels in KaSStroland close to a MILLION !. Are they THAT stupid? Why not invest that money in Miami or any other part of the USA where they only have ONE Hotel in the USA!?
Well clearly they are taking dibs on prime land, which by the way they had the common sense to buy from KaSStro and also to search their rightful owners and pay THEM al well. What is the long term pay off? A FREE CUBA. A CUBA that will compete with the best the Caribbean has to offer and even Las Vegas. That is the plan.
The USA hotel chains have a LOT of catching up to do and the prime real estate is gone so they will pay through the nose.
Has there been a LOT of kissy face shenanigans between the Melia chain and KaSStro ? yes they had no choice, but they have an infrastructure standing up that will start producing tremendous revenues the day Cuba is FREE! So you can look at this like they have been enablers or look at it as a company with a vision towards the day KaSSro is gone. If anyone had waited for Cuba to be free to START building these hotels, Cuba would be BEGGING the world for money.
As far as the PEOPLE in Cuba are concerned they are delighted to work for a foreign company. Yes Melia has to pay KaSStro and KaSStro pays the employees , but there are a LOT of perks for the workers.
We seldom hear of the Italian hotels in the south of Cuba and those are the ones that will go head to head with Las Vegas. This has been in the works for 15 years and the Italian mantra is to put Vegas out of business. Turn that around and what does that mean for OUR people? An economy that even the USA will envy.
Do not think I accepted the MELIA investments in Kuba with nonchalant approval , it took a LOT of thinking to realize where this was going , and a lot of chats with Cuban economists to see where this was going . Melia has seen fit to sink MILLIONS of dollars in Kuba while being in the red for 15 years , patient those Gallegos , but the pay off will be tremendous . for them and for Cuba.
And let’s face it , what country has NOT dealt with KaSStro ? Even Israel has, in the multimillion dollar scale! Germany is building a faux castle smack in the center of Miramar that will be a Hotel/restaurant. Japan cleaned up La Bahia de La Habana FOR FREE! Just so its Cruise ships would dock on a clean port. Again the USA keeps dealing with KaSStro, so what shall we do? Boycott EVERYONE; do we really think that a FREE Cuba will rise from the ashes without the foreign investments that have taken place in the last 15 years? Let’s be pragmatic about this. Freedom will be a WONDERFUL thing to have but Cuba is in NO position to hold on to a freedom that is not supported by real cold cash, and the foundation for that IS in place!
Yeah , I much rather have seen Spain come in and declare war on KaSSstro, but that wasn’t gonna happen , so to ME , my primary concern is the welfare of 12 million Cubans and those hotels are GOOD , for 12 million Cubans.
In the late 60s there was ZILCH . Kuba was still running on the fumes of what was stolen when the Beast made his entrance. The russians were suplying us with CARNE RUSA and Merzula ther was NO "goodies" hell there was NO RICE! We used to eat "rice with gorgojos and joke it was protein !
I left in 1967 and the people were staving to death! When I went back 30+ years later , iI was mazed . yes you needed dollars to buy the food but jesus there WAS food !
That of course was the genesis of jineterismo . You needed those dollars boy!
To this day you can buy ANYTHING you want in Kuba. Marina Hemingway is packed to the rafters with Mercedes Lamborghinis and Ferraris mostly brought DIRECTLY from the USA! And there you see 14 year old girls being pawed by 80 year old USA rich men who STILL somehow get to spend their weekends in Kuba. I guess the USA coast guard is not as diligent at impeding entry into Kuba if you’re going on a 5 million dollar yatch! and THAT is the hypocrisy that drives us fucking NUTS!
Families can not go to Kuba , rafters can not come to the USA , but if youre worth a few mill and want to have a private playground where the girls are young sweet and cheap .. hell KUBA is IT!
So yes Mr. T , as long as you have dollars you can have whatever you want in Kuba , even a sex transplant operation if that is your leanings!
Again, we see those things from a very different perspectives because we have lived lives both sides of the fence.
We know how a gusano can get a job in one of those hotesl, because el Galleguin joven who manages the night shift hates kasstro. And that guy goes home with a ham to feed his children, that he and el Galleguin steal from kasstro.
We also know how somebody who is in deep shit with the government can be helped to get a "business training" in Barcelona, so the guy saves his skin and eventually can help his family and many others.
Besides, as KillCastro points out, the investment has been done in order to position themselves in a competitive position in a free Cuba. Part of that investment is to benefit humble Cubans with whatever perks and favors, and Cubans actually are very grateful to those people who have provided them with jobs and a way of making a living and feed their family. Of course, that doesn't sit well with the crowd that rather sees the Cuban people starving to death so "no money goes to castro", money which by the way goes to castro anyways from the payola he gets from the American pharmaindustry and the American agrobusiness among others. Do we really think that the Cubans in the island have any warm and fuzzy feelings for anyone who is against travel and cash remitances? I tend to think that they don't appreciate being put in an even worse situation with their cojones under a hot red iron.
The Cuban people actually collaborates with whomever is helping them to survive in a daily basis, given that the middle management of those companies acts as their protectors in case of danger. I was in the house of an Italian executive in Miramar once -he was expelled from Cuba, they planted drugs in his car, and this is a guy abot sixty with a heart condition- who was hiding a Cuban guy in his "cisterna", until the guy climbed on a boat to Miami at la Marina Hemingway. I know of people whose rationing card has been taken away by the government and who were able to feed their families because a French couple hired him under the table to do maintenance in thier home.
Also, many of these companies pay a salary in dollars to Cuban workers, besides the money they have to give to kasstro.
As we have said many times, the situation of Cuba and of the 12 million Cubans in the island is very far from being a well defined and crispy black and white image. It's a very complex reality.
While there's a determination of prohibiting Cubans in the States to visit Cuba by both Kuba and the White House, those hotels are providing a lot of Cubans with at least a escape valve from where they can make some money to help their families survive. Why do they have so many G2 agents in tourism? To detect who is helping the Cuban people and to fabricate proof to expel them from the country, and also, because the majority of the people in the lower level jobs in the tourism industry are unrepentant gusanos. We have gotten a lot of information about people who has visited Cuba from our own net of tourism workers, from maids to stewardesses, from chauffeurs to translators, from tour guides to bartenders. And our record in terms of credibility is impecable in regards from the information we collect from the island through a cross section of Cuban society.
killcastro and charlie:
You are right: I did not know or suspect that things were as bad in Cuba as you have outlined. So the Spaniards and Italians have built their hotels in order to capitalize on Cuban tourism after the fall of Castro, to get the upperhand, under the benevolent aegis of Castro, on the Americans and the Cuban exiles, facilitating Castro's posthumous revenge on his enemies while making a windfall for themselves apres le deluge. I really see nothing encouraging in that picture.
I do not doubt that foreigners in Cuba who work side-by-side with Cubans and know intimately of their travails have been kind and generous, on many occasions, to them. Many others have probably exploited the vulnerability of the Cuban workers as well.
But what I am absolutely sure of, however, is that the returns to Castro have been much greater than the residual benefits that may have accrued to his indentured servants from his association with Spanish or Italian hoteliers.
These companies have also enforced Castro's apartheid policies in Cuba and every other law intended to make Cubans second-class citizens in their own country.
On further reflection, in light of the facts you have presented, I think that I have been too generous in my assessment of the impact and consequences of their presence in Cuba.
There must be a price — and a hefty one — for doing business with Castro. I believe that these hotels should be seized as enemy property and title to them passed to the Cuban workers who slaved there.
They, in turn, would be free to lease the hotels to any hotelier, including Melia, who wishes to run them.
This was exactly the arrangement which the Havana Gastronomical Workers' Union, which owned the Hilton building, had with the Hilton Corporation.
Once again, our just and equitable past solves for us the problems of our unjust and inequitable present.
Some more considerations:
The Spanish and Italian hoteliers must re-pay all back wages (with interest) which were withheld from Cuban workers and turned over instead to Castro. We would include here, of course, not only those who worked for the hotel itself, but the construction workers and other laborers who built it and all who, in any capacity, were hired or employed by the hotels.
Since there existed no unions in Cuba at the time that they were contracted, the workers should be allowed to form such unions to deal directly with the hoteliers on matters of past and current compensation.
Every Cuban whose exploitation Castro facilitated should be compensated by those who profitted from their exploitation. I do not think that anyone could, in good conscience, object to this.
I am sure that right now their Cuban workers speak "maravillas" about Melia and the rest. Once Castro is no longer there we'll hear the other side of the story, and it promises to be a very sordid story indeed.
Manuel, we should then boycott the whole world as well. It's not only Italy and Spain. The USA has dealt with the government of kasstro in more ways than one, not only with money, but with Cuban lives, like in the dry-foot wet-foot, and now the agro and pharma business, plus oil prospectors, universities, newspapers, tv stations and so on. Then you have Israel, kasstro supported the Palestinians, and what do you have? Israeli business is thriving in Cuba, check for instance the Hotel Raquel (or Rachel) in Old Havana. Plus citrus plantations, and what not. Then you have Germany, Japan, Canada, Portugal, South Africa, the Czech republic (they don't only blast kasstro, they have juicy business with him too)
If we are to "punish" every country and every enterprise who dealt with kasstro nobody will be able to even drink a Coca Cola in a free Cuba, because guess what, one can get plenty of Coca Cola in several Cuban locations as we speak.
Will it be good for Cuba to allienate the investors who know the country, the people and their culture? I guess not. What about Siemens, do we kick Siemens out of Cuba forever? And Mercedes Benz? Because, they have huge operations in Cuba.
As per American businesses, well, some of them are already buying their part of the pie in Cuba. Example, ATT is keeping transmition towers and some land. Some "Jamaican" hotels in Varadero have Americans managing them, and yes, some little "Bermudians, Bahamians, and Barbadian" business interests have Americans at the helm and American money at the helm. American business are out of the game now because of two men: kasstro and Kennedy. They will have to catch up with everybody else. As per Cuban exiles, some of them sold their properties to the hoteliers, who paid to kasstro and paid to the rightful owners.
For you to know, the hotelierrs do not enforce any kasstro policy. The enforcers are the Palestinian police placed outside of the hotels and some elements of the G2 parked outside. If you gain entrance to a hotel, you won't have any Spaniard or foreigner telling you to leave. Where the policy is enforced by the hoteliers is in the hotels owned by Gaviota and Marazul, fronts of the raul castro tourist operations manned by MINFAR personnel in civilian garb. So, the military are the enforcers. That's another fact that when I heard the so repeated myth that the Cuban military won't repress the people makes me cringe: they will do repress the people, the brass has a lot to lose.
As per the construction workers, some of the Melias were built by Spanish brigades, since they would not employ military personel or paramilitary personnel as provided by kasstro. And of course, they brought all the materials from Spain.
You mentioned the benevolent aegis of kasstro.... well, I don't know how benevolent is that, kasstro actually obstaculizes their business as much as he can, and most of those hotels operate at a high vacancy rate. Expropiation of foreign owned business in Cuba happens as it it were 1959.
The Cuban workers tell you everything in private. The ones they don't speak "maravillas" about are the communist honchos who are the ones who abuse them, not their foreign bosses.
I don't think that it will be a good think to punish all those people, from the practical stand point, because nobody in his right mind would do any business with Cuba..... Cuba won't be in a position of rejecting investors, on the contrary, because Cuba will start on the path of freedom in a very meager financial situation.
Almost every company in the world has deals with Cuba, look around your house, every brand name that you find in your house can be found in Cuba. Even SUVs of American makes. How do they make it to Cuba? Nobody "knows". I tend to think that the people who know are in managerial positions in Detroit.
Realistically speaking, and this is what is being considered in Cuba, by leading dissident economists, the only thing that can be legally and practically done is to establish a salary reform and to establish labor laws that are beneficial for the Cuban workers, including healthcare, vacations, and so on. For you to know, the model they are using is based on the labor laws as per the Constitution of 1940, plus ajournements according to present day labor laws in other countries.
There are many people working inside Cuba in plans to reconstruct Cuba once Cuba is free. They have considered many of these foreign investors partners in the future reconstruction of Cuba very pragmatically.
Cuba will be totally inserted in a global economy, and many leaders of the international industry (American included) are in touch with those dissident economists who are waiting on a road map to prosperity and development for Cuba.
The Cuban exiles who want to work for the future of Cuba have not been by any means excluded.
By the way, a group of Cuban exiles plus a corageous American woman produced a draft for a future constitution and it was sent to Cuba for consultations and review, and the dissident movement in Cuba uses that document as a blueprint for the future establishment of a free republic. It can be located in our archives.
Charlie:
We cannot base the future of Cuba on amnesia. Even if exiles were willing to forgive the wrongs done to them, I doubt very much that those who endured all 48 years of Castro's tyranny will be content to say borrón y cuenta nueva.
Foreign companies invested in Cuba precisely because Castro could offer them "incentives" which no other country could and which no other country has since Nazi Germany provided Krupp and other German companies limitless quantities of slave labor.
Before there can be forgiveness justice must first be done, and this is no less true in the economic than it is in the political sphere.
Castro's "51%/49%" partners should have no place in a future democratic Cuba. If you don't want to seize "their" properties amassed by the exploitation of Cubans, then they must be compelled to sell them and quit Cuba for good.
There will be more than enough investors to provide the capital to rebuild Cuba who do not have a history of collaboration with the Castros.
The era when foreigners had more rights in Cuba than Cubans will soon be at an end, as will the foreigners' exploitation of their privileged position in Cuba.
Do I even have to say it?
Cuba for the Cubans.
There will no be place then in Cuba Manuel for virtually no one, if you go for the list of companies who deal with Cuba today. From Amazon -where books by Cuban authors are sold- to Xerox (and some company with a Z, maybe Zara the clothing store) everybody deals with Cuba. Over the table, and under the table. As they deal with China or Vietnam, or as a matter of fact, as they dealt with Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
And yes, I agree, Cuba for the Cubans, and they will decide what to do with Cuba, the Cubans from the island, the ones who are really taking down the tyranny and working to pave the path to the future....
There is no benevolence on the part of KaSStro nor there is any altruism on the part of the Melia chain , it is all BUSINESS , the same business that drives the USA to deal with a country which we considered a terrorist nation.
The Melia chain gives two shits as who stays in their hotels, they will rent to ANY Cuban , but the apartheid is imposed by the KaSStro gang. Typically the cost of dong business with KaSStro is that you must hire a couple of KaSStro’s agents in some position of power and THEY control your policies.
I personally do not hold special gratitude to the Melia chain, however Cubans in Kuba who work for the chain do!
Again as many of the arguments we have about this issue, it should never be about US , it should be about 12 million people . You can call for all the boycotts , come up with all sort of retribution strategies for the workers , ask about Cubans being exploited but you do NOT live in their skins and “walk a mile in my shoes brother” has never been more apropos.
No Cuban in Cuba feels they are being exploited by foreign companies, Spanish, Italian or Canadian , so your assumptions here Mr. T are without foundation , you are knee jerking at whom YOU think is the enemy. Now put yourself in the place of a Cuban worker who can work for $10.00 a month as a scientist or for $10.00 a day as a doorman at the Melia. Given the state of that hell hole, where is the exploitation there?
Melia pays the KaSStro goverment a SALARY typically one equivalent to that of any other Latin American country , now KaSStro sets the rules and his rules are the exploitative ones NOT of the Melia guys.
I can assure you Cubans have a LOT more love for the Spaniards and the Melia chain than they do for the USA!
If we want a capitalist society in Cuba after KaSStro is well acclimated to the temperature in hell , then ANY foreign company in Kuba NOW is a great training ground. Especially when we know they are working at a million a day deficit. I think that by itself is enough punishment, just to wait for a descent ROI sometime in the future.
Let’s us not fall into the by now utterly stupid idea that either the Cuban remittances, visits or that foreign business investing in Kuba have prolonged KaSStro life span. It has NOT. KaSStro (if he lived long enough) will stay in power long after people start wearing taparrabos!
As far as what Cubans say about Melia , are you inferring they speak “Maravillas” because” they are forced to ? If you are, you REALLY should go to Kuba my friend. It is quite amusing that these theories typically come from people who have not been to Cuba in the last 20 years. GO TO CUBA really, There is NOTHING like first hand information! Coming to any conclusions without having first hand knowledge of how Cubans in the island feel is at its most innocuous VERY naïve at its worse it is counter-productive .
You can feel however you would like to feel about the business being seized , but when these hotels are running at full capacity and not with a 70% vacancy , how many Cubans will get an immediate job with these hotels? THOUSANDS! If the hotels where not there and Cuba became free tomorrow, what are WE doing? sending these thousands of people care packages and pocket money ? ‘mon Manuel you are a lot more intelligent than that . Yes as a idealist , you SHOULD feel disgusted that ANYONE is dealing with KaSStro , as a pragmatist a capitalist and a businessman , you should be delighted that these enterprises have invested in a black hole and are there NOW ready to provide a steady revenue stream to a FREE CUBA.
By all means once Cuba is free, tax the fucking shit out of the hotels, and set minimum wage at $60.00 an hour + benefits. There’s a zillion things you CAN do with the Melias to bring some much needed revenue into the country and to somehow compensate Cubans . But, we are ALREADY forcing companies who have become the salvation of a lot of Cubans to compensate Cubans for KaSStro’s deeds? So they pack up and leave; now Cubans need to sit down and wait for someone else to build a hotel so Cuba gets some tourists and they get a decent paying job. Yeah I guess that would be a GREAT opportunity for the Hiltons.
In the meantime does a FREE CUBA also stops doing business with any USA state that dealt with KaSStro? Just wondering how you reconcile what could very well be a VERY biased decision.
Now, based on your scenario here we could postulate that the reason KaSStro stole all the private business was because they were doing business with Batista, so your solution here gives KaSStro a very strong excuse to have done what he did. Really not much different that the portrayal of KaSStro in “Lost City” , he stole from the rich terratenientes and Night Club owners.. and “gave” the bounty to the people (or so the propaganda goes)
We need to think LONG and hard as to the REALITIES of 2007 Cuba before we start “nationalizing” private property belonging to foreign companies, otherwise we will be following KaSStro’s path adobe by adobe
I am sure your heart is in the right place (in an idealistic sortta way) on this one Mr. T , but your common sense regarding the reality that is Cuba NOW and the realities that will be needed to heal Cuba’s economic chaos is taking a hiatus.
Cuba for the Cubans ... which Cubans? the ones in the island don’t have a pot to piss in , so what Cubans are taking possession of this offering. The Cubans in the USA?
So based on your plan , the only country who will be allowed to do business in a FREE Cuba is the USA , because the government of the USA prohibited them from doing so (although there’s PLENTY of Coca-Cola in Kuba!)
Manuel it is VERY easy to have these ideals with a full belly and high bandwidth , it is a totally different picture when you are THERE.
I know you feel that the China model is a travesty, but you know, those Chinese who had NOTHING are GOD DAMN HAPPY to have a color TV and a cell phone. Yes the government is still communist and oppressive , but the Chinese can now go home and have some Shark Fin soup! Now, go and tell a Chinese person he should not accept this way of life. I am sure you will find a pair of chopstick shoved up a very uncomfortable place of your anatomy.
*WE* can’t JUDGE these people based on OUR standards , it just ain’t a perfect world, and as imperfect as the Chinese model is it is a zillion times better than what they had , BUT . it is NOT to your liking because it betrays the tenets of democracy ?
I think that if you give a Chinese person the choice wrapped in Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me bread” .. They will go with BREAD!
I remember when the first Japanese plant (NEC) opened up in mainland China “How could they?” a lot of people asked, dealing with those filthy pricks. Well what the Chinese workers saw was a decent salary, free lunch, free dinner and most important HOPE for a better future.
Yes, they are still under a ruthless dictatorship but the GREAT majority will accept that (for the time being) because the other options where so horrible!
In your world a half full glass is objectionable, in theirs it is the difference between life and death.
Do we as Cubans really want to give a prize to the USA for ulpholding the dry foot wet foot and for abandoning the 2506 to thier own devices?
Do we think that we can tell the Cuban people that we didn't allow their families to visit them or to send them money but now we are ENTITLED to a privileged position in doing business in THEIR country?
Are we telling them that we are going to take all the business from the people who allowed them to feed their families who helped their son to leave Cuba? A
Are we telling them that we are taking over because we know better, and because we are more Cuban than they are?
Are they going to accept this so easily?
I really don't think so!
But if the do, so the whole country is doomed and lost. And it will just be a matter of time for another fidel to take over.
killcastro & Charlie:
The United States does not merit nor shall it receive any special dispensations from me. "Cuba para los cubanos" became a popular cry because of them. I have no more patience with the "Ugly American" than I do with the "Ugly Spaniard," the "Ugly Italian" or the "Ugly Canadian." I should prefer them all to make their fortunes at home. They were not friends to us in our hour of need and shall never merit our trust much less our respect. Let us use them when they are useful but never surrender an inch of our independence to them or allow them to call the shots in our country ever again.
Since Fidel Castro is the majority stockholder in all these foreign ventures, I would hardly call it "naturalization" to restore to the nation what rightfully belongs to it and was stolen by Castro and his accomplices.
I do not see any distinction between Cubans on the island and Cubans in exile. We are all one people. Those who attempt to create distinctions between us that do not exist in fact are playing the enemy's game. And because we are one people, equal citizens of the same republic, we will enjoy in Cuba the same rights guaranteed to all by the Constitution of 1940. There shall never again be in Cuba a first-class and a second-class citizenship, trumped both by any foreigner.
There is always among every people a just remnant, and no doubt there were many foreigners who genuinely desire a Free Cuba. But not many and certainly no corporate entity.
I don't paint all Cubans with the same brushstroke Manuel or all the foreigners with another.
Cuba cannot and shall not be exclusive of others, and we need to be clever enough to allow the country to be open to all who want to live and invest there.
Blind nationalism led us to the rise of a fidel castro, and other of similar feather, both in Cuba and in exile. And about citizens of the same republic, yes. But the people of the island of Cuba are the ones with a saying in what's to be done in the island of Cuba, just as much and as fair as they won't have a saying on what's to be done abroad. Whomever wants a saying on what's to be done in Cuba should move there or at least be required to own property and pay taxes there, and only then that person would be able to vote and get voted into office in a free Cuba. I mean, a Free Cuba will exist only within the borders of Cuba, as defined by the will and interest of its inhabitants.
Cuba shall be an open country as it was between 1902 and 1958, where everybody in this world was able to make home and find refuge.
As per foreign corporations, we need them. We always will need them lest we want to live with limited resources and conveniences. I certainly dream of a country where freedoms are such that people can move there and become citizens with just a simple process of allegiance. I look to a multicultural multiethnic society as an ideal model of democracy, and as a rich social entity, with vibrant culture, healthy economy, and avant-guard science.
Today, a free Cuba exists, inside men and women who live in the island and have the courage to not allow the regime to encroach on their minds and souls. That free Cuba is extending soul by soul to other Cubans, and that's where the actual Cuba resides.
As per "not many" foreigners who genuinely desire a free Cuba, that's not an assertion that I will think is true. There are many foreigners who want a free Cuba, as there are many Cubans who don't want a free Cuba, as the kasstro family whose only clame to fame is their destruction of a nation, a culture, and the division of people.
Cubans are no doubt one people, but it has nothing to do with the practical requirement of residency and proof of citizenship to vote in a future free Republic. Or do you want the Diaz Balarts, Ros Lehtinen, Menendez or Martinez of this world having a saying and dictating policies in Cuba? To be honest, they have not had the cojones to erradicate the most antiCuban policy of all, the dry foot wet foot, or the limitation to travel to Cuba or remittances and care packages to whomever you want in Cuba. Then they lump everything with the embargo -which doesn't exist and which has nothing to do with traveling and helping family and friends, in the case it existed- and they look fine and dandy to many. Believe me, they would transplant their political carees to Cuba if given the chance.
We need all sorts of help in building that new republic, and believe me, that's a monumental task....
Charlie:
We are coming closer to a consensus, and if there is to be a future for our country, such a consensus must evolve.
I, too, do not desire to see absentee landlords rule Cuba as was the case in Ireland for centuries. I don't care whether those absentee landlords are Cubans or foreigners. After Cuba is free, the place to be a Cuban is Cuba. You will exclude yourself if you refuse to take part in the common work.
I do believe, however, in the sovereign right of all Cubans to elect exactly whom they please as our future leaders. If Cubans choose reconstructed Communists, so be it. If they chose all the tribe of Díaz-Balarts, so be it, too. They will, of course, regret such a decision, but in a democratic process it is always possible to correct such mistakes, and I do not doubt that there will be many mistakes made on the way to gaining our democratic bearings again.
Yes, we need foreign corporations but not ones that will exploit our country or expropriate its land and resources with no benefit to our people.
Nationalism is our salvation. No small country can afford to be anything but nationalistic. If Cuban nationalists had prevailed, there would have been no Cuban Revolution, which was a foreign growth from its roots to its fruits. Perhaps it will help you not to think of it as "nationalism" but martianism.
Manuel,
All we are having is a democratic dialogue, where disagreements fuel the search for solutions and devices pointing to the common good our the future republic. We both will be saddened too if our fellow Cubans elect (ex)commies or these spineless politicos of our present day, but under the rule of law, that would be for a predetermined period of time, only. That's precisely the beauty of democracy.
Charlie:
See, we have reached consensus.
We have been in consensus in the fundamentals, always, which is to achieve a free Cuba. Compared to that, the rest is just details to be adjusted and fine tuned.
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